only a handful of investigators at most have been assigned to work on the Nord Stream case on a full-time basis.
the perception among investigators is that the will to solve the case is not particularly pronounced in the capital. Politically, it is easier to live with what happened if it remains unclear who is behind the attacks.
A lot of speculation, uncertainty and hypotheticals. The west will continue to support Ukraine against Russia.
Who do you think blew up the pipeline?
A case could probably be made for either side. Russia supposedly has done this before in Georgia
Sure, but it seems not even the US/NATO is claiming it was the Russians at this point. Actually, I’m not certain if they ever did so in the first place? I honestly don’t remember.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tylerroush/2023/03/07/us-thinks-pro-ukrainian-group-blew-up-nord-stream-pipelines-report-says/
Yeah this article is missing the mark. Much like the larger conflict the U.S. is going to throw Ukranians under the bus for it’s own agenda, like selling oil and gas to the EU at wildly inflated rates.
I don’t think Americans or Ukrainians can complain. The US gets to sell oil and weapons, and Ukraine gets the weapons they need. It’s win-win.
How exactly is the U.S. selling oil and weapons a win for anyone unless you’re a Raytheon or Exxon executive?
I did want to also follow up that selling weapons to the Ukrainian people is a huge win for them. They are in desperate need of them to defend their land. I’m not sure how I missed this in my first response 😂
I mean, there are active duty Ukranian soldiers that are missing limbs. How exactly did a forever war in Afghanistan work out for the general populace aside from annihilating a generation.
Then ask Russia to stop invading? That would help.
Have you ever played 4x games? What does it mean when an opponent starts ringing your territory with bases and trying to get everyone to ally against you?
Also if Russia just packed up and left today do you believe that there wouldn’t be an immediate ethnic cleansing of the eastern Ukranian, Russian speaking population?
You mean the removal of the russian population that was occupying crymea? Besides those, I’m sure that there will be a lot of hate for russian speaking people, but tough fucking luck, guess why. Russian could have not invaded crymea and people would not have harboured hate for the ethnicity and language.
“Oh thanks for packing up and leaving, now my territory is destroyed and economy fucked up, thanks!” of course that people will blame tons fo thing in Russia, it’s what I would expect of any oppressed population.
Not well, but the US wasn’t exactly there to liberate Afghanistan…
They aren’t interested in liberating Ukraine either. They have been on the wrong side of every fucking military conflict for like 75 years, but now they have decided to be liberators?
You must have forgotten about the Cold War. The US Military designed and built almost everything that has been sent over so far for a conflict with Russia.
I feel like we are way off topic now, and you seem to be defending Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. What exactly is your point here?
I meant it more in the context of the article as a motive for shutting down the nord stream. The list of why NATO countries (and Ukraine) would want to stop it goes on and on.
Personally, I’m just happy that a revenue stream for Putin’s mafia has been shut down. As has now been shown, nothing good comes from money going to his oligarchs.
edit: If you want to know the lengths US congressmen will go for money, look at what happened to the Middle East. I’m not saying that’s what happened to the nord stream, but it’s honestly plausible to me that either side blew it up.
I am not itching to find out who because whatever the case, Russia should learn to stay within its borders. It’s less money flowing into it, and that makes me happy.
Russia now sells oil and gas through Saudi Arabia who sells it to the EU at a sizeable markup. Russia is still selling their gas and oil, just through an intermediary and their economy has been almost unphased despite an initial drop at the beginning of the 2020 offensive. Russia had only money to lose by blowing up it’s own oil pipeline, the U.S. has benefited immensely through oil/gas sales to countries affected.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/14/energy/russia-oil-exports-iea-report/index.html
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1009056/gdp-growth-rate-russia/
That’s interesting about Saudi’s Arabia, but their economy has most definitely taken a hit. It’s easy to fluff market numbers when you aren’t allowed to sell stocks. Just look at the most recent ruble prices.
Stock buybacks and other practices demonstrate that fluffing market numbers when you are allowed to sell stocks can be quite easy as well.
Why sell oil when the US can sell weapons? It helps that Russia can’t sell theirs.
Right? And they are the mothballed shit that was gonna rot in a wearhouse instead of doing what they are supposed to do: blow Russians into tiny peices.
Now we get to watch a field test in war conditions, restock our own troops with even better shit, design strategies with the use of drones after watching how well the Ukrainian military are using them, and sit on our ass providing intelligence while the Russians get royally fucked.
Unhinged
:pit::stalin-gun-1::stalin-gun-2:
This is a win/win for everyone except Russian invaders.
Well, and all the dead ukrainians
I’m sure the majority of Ukrainians would rather fight for their very existence instead of rolling over and ending up a Russian satellite state again.
Yes, because they would much rather undergo another Holodomor.
Russian mercy is well understood.
Saying the holodomor was a genocide is the same as saying the dust bowl was a genocide.
More like saying the Indian or Irish famines were a genocide.
Please engage with contemporary, mainstream historians who have studied the now open Soviet archives. I recommend R. W. Davies and Stephen G. Wheatcroft, The Years of Hunger: Soviet Agriculture, 1931-1933. You can just read the introduction (all but the first edition) where they discuss and go into detail on Holodomor as genocide. It’s in English and pretty accessible to lay people. The rest of the book will likely be of no interest to you, as it’s part of a series of very dry academic publications by the authors that goes into the minutiae of Soviet agriculture. If that interests you, go for it.
This book is in libgen.
HoLOLodomor