only a handful of investigators at most have been assigned to work on the Nord Stream case on a full-time basis.

the perception among investigators is that the will to solve the case is not particularly pronounced in the capital. Politically, it is easier to live with what happened if it remains unclear who is behind the attacks.

  • @xhci@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    English
    42 years ago

    I don’t think Americans or Ukrainians can complain. The US gets to sell oil and weapons, and Ukraine gets the weapons they need. It’s win-win.

      • @xhci@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        English
        42 years ago

        I did want to also follow up that selling weapons to the Ukrainian people is a huge win for them. They are in desperate need of them to defend their land. I’m not sure how I missed this in my first response 😂

        • Aryuproudomenowdaddy [comrade/them]
          link
          fedilink
          English
          132 years ago

          I mean, there are active duty Ukranian soldiers that are missing limbs. How exactly did a forever war in Afghanistan work out for the general populace aside from annihilating a generation.

          • @xhci@lemmy.ml
            link
            fedilink
            English
            32 years ago

            Not well, but the US wasn’t exactly there to liberate Afghanistan…

            • GarbageShoot [he/him]
              link
              fedilink
              English
              62 years ago

              They aren’t interested in liberating Ukraine either. They have been on the wrong side of every fucking military conflict for like 75 years, but now they have decided to be liberators?

              • @xhci@lemmy.ml
                link
                fedilink
                English
                22 years ago

                You must have forgotten about the Cold War. The US Military designed and built almost everything that has been sent over so far for a conflict with Russia.

                I feel like we are way off topic now, and you seem to be defending Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. What exactly is your point here?

                • GarbageShoot [he/him]
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  32 years ago

                  No, I remember the cold war and the multiple proxy wars the US instigated then too. They were in the wrong and the destruction of the USSR was a tragedy. The neoliberals got exactly what they wanted in the creation of the Russian Federation, but that just meant more war in the end, as we see with the current conflict. Yeltsin was NATO’s guy, and Putin was Yeltsin’s guy. Fuckin’ whoops.

                  • @xhci@lemmy.ml
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    22 years ago

                    They were in the wrong and the destruction of the USSR was a tragedy.

                    I think this is just a matter of perspective, and we’re going to disagree.

          • Fushuan [he/him]
            link
            fedilink
            32 years ago

            there are active duty Ukranian soldiers that are missing limbs

            Then ask Russia to stop invading? That would help.

            • Aryuproudomenowdaddy [comrade/them]
              link
              fedilink
              English
              4
              edit-2
              2 years ago

              Have you ever played 4x games? What does it mean when an opponent starts ringing your territory with bases and trying to get everyone to ally against you?

              Also if Russia just packed up and left today do you believe that there wouldn’t be an immediate ethnic cleansing of the eastern Ukranian, Russian speaking population?

              • Fushuan [he/him]
                link
                fedilink
                English
                12 years ago

                immediate ethnic cleansing

                You mean the removal of the russian population that was occupying crymea? Besides those, I’m sure that there will be a lot of hate for russian speaking people, but tough fucking luck, guess why. Russian could have not invaded crymea and people would not have harboured hate for the ethnicity and language.

                “Oh thanks for packing up and leaving, now my territory is destroyed and economy fucked up, thanks!” of course that people will blame tons fo thing in Russia, it’s what I would expect of any oppressed population.

                • Ram_The_Manparts [he/him]
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  22 years ago

                  Are you not aware of the fact that a large part of the population of Ukraine, especially in the eastern parts of the country, are ethnic Russians who were born and raised there?

                  And why did you even bring up Crimea when the comment you replied to was clearly about Ukraine? Stop being dishonest.

                  • Fushuan [he/him]
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    12 years ago

                    Because it’s part of eastern Ukraine. In any case, I believe that it’s unfortunate that those people are recieving hate but what did you expect from other ukranians since the Crimea invasion? ofc the whole other country is pissed with Russians as a whole! I know that it’s not their fault but it’s hard to control the masses, and this doesn’t even remotely justify a second invasion.

                    I really don’t get why you say I’m being dishonest when I just disagree with you, it’s like you think I know more than what I’m telling and I’m saying what I am to sway the public opinion in a certain way, and while I’m sure there’s people like that, accusing everyone that disagrees with you of being dishonest really does a disservice to your argument.

      • @xhci@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        English
        3
        edit-2
        2 years ago

        I meant it more in the context of the article as a motive for shutting down the nord stream. The list of why NATO countries (and Ukraine) would want to stop it goes on and on.

        Personally, I’m just happy that a revenue stream for Putin’s mafia has been shut down. As has now been shown, nothing good comes from money going to his oligarchs.

        edit: If you want to know the lengths US congressmen will go for money, look at what happened to the Middle East. I’m not saying that’s what happened to the nord stream, but it’s honestly plausible to me that either side blew it up.

        I am not itching to find out who because whatever the case, Russia should learn to stay within its borders. It’s less money flowing into it, and that makes me happy.