Fucking .ml, political compass spinning fast enough to generate enough power to keep the instance running 😅
Well there has to be some instance standing against the empires lies/misinformation about China, Russia, and the DPRK and their liberal army 🙄
Sure, mass murder is only a problem when it isn’t committed by Stalin, Mao, or the Eternal Leader himself. That’s the first commandment of tankie logic. I’m sure Marx slipped that in somewhere between talking about class struggle and writing Capital.
You are just spreading western lies and then using a thought terminating cliche with that pejorative of yours to do no further critical thinking
Checks instance
Oh yeppers that checks out, the fed instance 😁
All the inconvenient truths become western lies in .ml
Same on Russian state tv.
whats it with the amount of libs being stupid in here lately?
No idea but there has been an increase I feel
Corrected the meme for you ❤️
That’s not true. Some are just useful idiots.
Average horseshoe theorist.
What in the fuck are you talking about
Yeppers, just continuing the US empires desired narratives, why don’t you think for yourself?
So umm… Pepsi Cola and Coca Cola really hate each other’s guts.
If you ask them, they’re nothing alike. If you ask a Coca Cola drinker, they’ll tell you Pepi is disgusting filth… Their marketing campaigns are completely different too. Pepsi says “That’s what I like” and Coke says “Real Magic”. And you know, what you like doesn’t have absolutely anything to do with magic… Nothing at all. But if you think about what they do to people that buy their stuff and feel good about it, what they do to people’s actual well being and what they actually offer, they’re pretty much the same thing.
Only difference is who gets your money.
I hope you understand I don’t mean to insult your beliefs or anyone else’s. Just wanted to share my own thoughts. And hey, I know you won’t agree and that’s fine. I respect what you think and honestly wish you and the world the best.
Just don’t try to convince me to buy any sodas cause I’m not a soda guy. I prefer water, tbh.
Sure, except Pepsi is liberalism and coke is fascism. Socialism would be water, or even tea or coffee. Maybe kombucha or tepaché.
Ah yes, equating a working class movement that uplifted hundreds of millions from poverty and killed 85% of the Nazis in World War II with a genocidal bourgeois reaction that murdered tens of millions out of racial, sexual, ableist, and political supremacy. Gotta love historical nihilism and horseshoe theory.
Read Blackshirts and Reds. Quit it with the Holocaust minimization.
Having instituted the death penalty for possessing an antisemitic work, the Soviet Union became a refuge for 75.3% of Europe’s Jewish refugees during World War II. As well, Lithuanian Jews welcomed the Red Army in 1940, the Red Army having the highest number of Jews of all the Allied armies, and Soviet policies lead Transnistrians to resist antisemitism, even during Axis occupation.
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Please report any brigading genocidal liberals so we can get to them asap.
Is this some kind of cummunist propaganda? I feel like in this “meme” group is too much of pro-communist political content like this and I think I will rather leave this group soon…
Lemmy.ml has a lot of communists, the devs of Lemmy are Marxist-Leninists. That being said, anti-communism’s ties to fascism are historically documented and accepted even by liberal historians. I recommend reading Blackshirts and Reds.
For what it’s worth, your instance already blocks most of the communist content on Lemmy for you, it comes pre-censored for you. This is just the stuff that slips through the cracks.
Yeah, communists and nazis doesn’t like each other. But this meme is just showing that if you are anti-communist, you must be nazi… It doesn’t make any sense and feels only like Russian or Chinese propaganda…
When the anti-communist crowd start to repeat nazi propaganda is kinda difficult to tell the difference between them.
Fascism and anti-communism, as I said, are historically linked, beyond just Nazis hating communists. I again recommend reading Blackshirts and Reds. Wherever there has been a strong anti-communist movement, it has been tied to fascism in some way.
So, when you say “anti-communism”, do you mean an organized front resisting and opposing communism, or just anyone who has an non-pro-communist opinion?
I imagine if I said something like “yeah capitalism has failed us, but that doesn’t mean I want a planned economy” you might respond by saying I’m a wishy-washy centrist.
I might get pushback, but I don’t think being ambivalent about communism is directly tied to fascism, mostly the usually violent anti-communism. I’d say the former can easily lead to the latter, as liberalism and fascism are the same ideology in different circumstances in my view, but that the former is generally a lack of good political education in my opinion.
I have to admit this may be a failing in my own political education. 😅 Why do you think liberalism and fascism are “the same ideology in different circumstances”? I think McCarthyism is a modern example of violent anti-communism, and I agree, that got really close to fascism. (Although I could argue that violent anti-anything would lead to fascism.)
I’m wondering if, like, Marxism-Leninism is something like “communism is what organized societies would naturally look like, and everything else is an authority asserting itself unfairly” sort of mindset.
To simplify, ideas are the results of existing material conditions. The ideas a worker has are informed by their experiences as a worker, and the same is true of capitalists. These sets of ideas, among those with similar positions, take on similar characters. Not the same, but similar enough. Workers tend to be more progressive, more unified, as an example.
Ideologies are the same way. Liberalism is the “nicer face” of capitalism. It’s the part of capitalism that gets to pretend that the market helps all, that we can achieve the perfect system through carefully tweaking capitalism, etc. Fascism is the “meaner face” of capitalism. Fascism arises when capitalism is in dire conditions, and needs to violently protect itself, be it through colonizing their neighbors, murdering labor organizers, or using state planning in conjunction with the large capitalists to pivot to a more full economy, rescuing capitalism from its crisis by grinding the working class into dust.
Both are the ideological “superstructures” of capitalism. Neither is truly distinct from the other. In times of plenty, we call capitalist systems “liberal,” but when those same systems turn to violent measures to retain the same conditions of production, we call it “fascist.” It’s the same system, different conditions.
Marxism-Leninism is neither. It’s a tool for the working class, one that is informed by practice, and whose express purpose is to usher in a world that has resolved the contradictions of capitslism into the next stage in development, collectivized ownership and planning. Where humanity has become the master of production, and not slaves to the whims of profit. Marxism-Leninism is not the “natural state,” it’s a tool to get from this natural state to the next, more just natural state.
This is my perspective, which is certainly Marxist-Leninist, though other MLs may disagree with how I’ve described things and I don’t dare claim that the specific analysis of fascism and liberalism as the same in different conditions is the definitive “ML stance.” I’m also not taking credit for inventing it either, it’s an old position as far as I know.
“Capitalism has failed us, instead of the only scientific ideology that is based in materialism, I am going to pick some vibes based bullshit I learnt on a Yogurt commercial”
Typical libshit
This inert attitude to politics is why our planet is fucked
And I’m here just for memes… Maybe another meme group without so much political content would be better suited for me. 🤷🏻♂️
Lemmy.ml has a non-political meme comm as well. This comm allows political content.
While the name of the community is not explicitly communist, the instance it’s on absolutely is. Lemmy.ml is a communist instance.
Too simple view, all nazis are anti-communists, but not all anti-communists are nazis (socialists, anarchists…)
Anti-communism, even coming from the “left,” is still deeply reactionary. It’s largely a petite-bourgeois ideology, valuing individualism over inter-national prosperity for all. Not all anarchists are anti-communists, many times in history Marxists and anarchists have worked together to achieve common goals. The anarchists that are anti-communist, however, are reactionary and anti-proletarian.
Any socialist that doesn’t eventually want to reach communism is either a social democrat, ie not a socialist at all but a welfare capitalist, or is someone that doesn’t understand how socialism works its way towards full collectivization and internationalism.
Anti-communist “leftists” do the jobs of the imperialist bourgeoisie for them. Rather than uniting all that can be, they side with the imperialists in the conflict between imperialists and communists. Such a strategic error is thoroughly backwards, and is convenient for those who wish to endlessly critique the world without actually rolling up their sleeves to change it.
Agree, only means that calling Nazi all anti-communist is a falacy
Anti-communism and fascism are tied, historically. Whenever a violent reaction against communists has occured, historically, these have been thoroughly intermixed with nationalism and fascism. It’s important to recognize the ties.
question: i consider myself anarchist, and i have nothing against communism itself besides the fact that i prefer anarchism and will always chose that over communism, does that make me anti-communist? or that would be it to actively boicot and actively go against communism and communists?
That’s a normal anarchist, many of which have worked hand in hand with Marxists throughout the centuries. Although, I do think “preference” is a bit of an odd choice of words, the differences between Marxists and Anarchists are more of an analytical nature than a preference of outcomes, the analysis comes before the outcomes.
That’s not anticom that’s just typical anarchist
so, being anticom is basically act like a nazi then, right? XD
Usually, they are either nazis under sheets, or down the nazi pipeline
People really even become leftists and then deadass become nazbols or some shit because they are just that racist
Always noteworthy that western countries (the US especially) never had the equivalent of a “red-scare”, but for nazis and other stripes of fascists. Instead they hired them to help in the colonial project as cops, feds, prison guards, and intelligence assets.
.ml beautifully mirrors stalinist Russia. You have to be the exact right kind of communist or you get deleted. Too little, you are a fascist and get deleted. Too much, traitor - deleted again. Only ideological purity matters even if it changes overnight. And it does change, because it has to accommodate all the mental gymnastics.
What a crazy cesspool! 😆
Agreed. Very sneaky indeed.
But also:
Yes indeed, providing for all is basically the same as genocide.
You mean how all your great leaders provided cheap funerals and traumatic experiences for everyone?
Socialist movements have provided healthcare, education, literacy programs, doubled life expectancy in Russia and China, and far more. The vast majority of those who lived in the USSR regret the fall of socialism. The vast majority of Chinese citizens approve of their system.
I’m sure north Koreans would regret the fall of the un family too, so that is hardly an argument. Russians have been brainwashed into their imperialistic superiority and think they have an innate right to lands occupied by other nations and they believe bombing their homes is justified to achieve this. That is imperialism and that is fascism.
There is something seriously wrong with people glorifying mass murderers like those.
“Brainwashing” as a concept doesn’t exist. People license themselves to believe that which benefits them is good. The concept of “brainwashing” was invented by an American to justify why people support socialism. Read Masses, Elites, and Rebels: The Theory of “Brainwashing.”
Further, it’s the Kim family, Un is half of Kim Jong-Un’s given name. The fact that you have no clue how Korean names work yet feel confident in speaking about it is just chauvanism, same with your racist rant against Russians.
Finally, the Soviet Union was neither fascist nor imperialist. Fascism supports private property and the bourgeoisie, socialism supports the proletariat and collectivized property. They are opposites. Read Blackshirts and Reds.
Ah yes, “brainwashing doesn’t exist”, just another invention of the evil Americans to explain why people totally voluntarily adore authoritarian regimes. Let’s pretend people are just licensing themselves into blind loyalty under oppressive systems. Very empowering.
Appreciate the name correction, truly the most pressing issue here. Definitely not the labor camps, famine, or absolute control over a nation. Glad to know you’re more offended by a naming convention than, say, public executions.
And of course, the USSR wasn’t imperialist, it just “liberated” countries like Hungary, Czechoslovakia, and Afghanistan with tanks and secret police. It showered Chechnya with love and freedoms. You see, when the West does it, it’s imperialism. When the USSR does it, it’s “proletarian internationalism.” Totally different.
I guess you’re so far-right even Wikipedia is too “left” for you?
The entire project of MKUltra was the US trying and failing to prove brainwashing exists. The fact of the matter is that socialists support socialist systems because of the benefits they provide, like greater access to healthcare and education, and more democratization than capitalist systems. It isn’t blind loyalty, but a genuine belief based on material improvements in their lives as compared to previous conditions that results in citizens of socialist countries defending their system. The same applies for USians that defend the genocidal imperialist US regime.
As for the name-correction, I pointed it out because anyone who has spent more than 5 seconds learning about Korea in general knows that Kim Jong-Un’s father was Kim Jong-Il, and Kim Il-Sung his father. If you’re trying to critique the persistence of the Kim family in the DPRK’s politics yet don’t even know their names, it’s abundantly clear that you have no clue what you’re talking about and have done no study, no reading. All you have is chauvanism. You cannot critique the DPRK based on vibes, you need to actually study it, otherwise your critique is just based on personal feelings of superiority.
Yes, the Soviet Union liberated many areas, but millitary intervention isn’t imperialism. Imperialism is a method of economic extraction. The US and western Europe are imperialist becayse they use their vast financial capital to expropriate vast sums of wealth from the global south, the USSR never practiced that, nor could it, as its economy wasn’t based on financial capital but public ownership and collective planning. The majority of people who lived in the Soviet Union want it back.
Please, read a book. I linked several articles and books for you to serve as a good start, right now you’re just proving the meme correct with your far-right chauvanism driving all of your points. You’re so far-right even Wikipedia is too “woke” for you for showing that “brainwashing” doesn’t exist and was just an invention of the CIA during the Cold War.
You know, when I was a child I used to think a cat was the opposite of a dog.
Ahh well one day you’ll learn to apply the same critical thinking skills to intangibles.
Maybe. Many people never achieve that. Can be challenging.
Do you find it hard to breathe with all the capitalist propaganda cock you constantly jam down your throat?
Ok, geez. I’m sorry for comparing your cult to the other one that’s exactly the same. No need to be rude.
Thinking nazis and communists are exactly the same is so brutally stupid that I don’t even know what to say man.
That’s ok. Don’t worry.
Aw come on mods, I wanted to see what Mr. I Don’t Have a Concept of What Different Words Mean had to say. I’m sure it was something super smart and enlightening.
Ah yes, equating a working class movement that uplifted hundreds of millions from poverty and killed 85% of the Nazis in World War II with a genocidal bourgeois reaction that murdered tens of millions out of racial, sexual, ableist, and political supremacy. Gotta love historical nihilism and horseshoe theory.
Read Blackshirts and Reds. Quit it with the Holocaust minimization.
the wise man bowed his head solemnly and spoke: “theres actually zero difference between good & bad things. you imbecile. you fucking moron.”
Sounds like an angry man.
Yeah you do.
I’m not the one throwing insults around here…
The hate is just fueled by the capitalist US empire, you should not continue to spread it
There’s no hate in my message. All these cults and empires look the same to me. I don’t hold any grudges, though.
