Looking at the two big news publishers in my country. One isn’t reporting about the current bombings at all, while the other one is phrasing their words mostly anti-Palestinian.
Is there some neutral coverage I can keep up to? Where do you guys get your info from?
You can’t, it isn’t a neutral situation
The funny thing is how people on both sides could read your comment and agree with it, but for opposite reasons.
How is it funny? This is true of every war that has ever happened. There is no such thing as unbiased reporting of real time events. Its just the truth.
It’s funny, like when you look in the mirror funny.
u calling me funnylookin ?
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There is no such thing as unbiased reporting of ANY events. Real time or historical. All reporting is biased.
While technically true, this attitude is desperately self-defeating. It is possible to look for the truth, and to get more or less close to it. This principle is the founding ethic of journalism, for instance. A world in which nobody believes in truth is a world of mass manipulation, of nihilism, most likely of totalitarianism.
A world in which nobody believes in truth is a world of mass manipulation
“Communication” is a form of manipulation. Your comment - and mine - are attempts at conveying thoughts to foreign minds. The best word for “mass manipulation” is “society”.
It is possible to look for the truth,
I reject the idea that such a truth objectively exists anywhere but within the realm of mathematics. Everywhere else, it is subject to the philosophical ideologies of the seeker: it is fundamentally and intrinsically biased.
This principle is the founding ethic of journalism,
Journalism is a systematic communication of thoughts, and as such, it is itself a form of mass manipulation, no matter how benign the intentions of the journalist.
What a load of meaningless waffle. Sorry, but it has to be said.
I think it is fair to say that every political entity involved has regularly walked away from peace talks. That every political power involved is regularly choosing violence over peace.
Short of glassing the whole region, the violence is only going to continue.
Honestly don’t think you can find any neutral news about it. I recommend use multiple news places to get the overall view (that’s what I do).
I feel like every news-publisher is leaning to one or the other.
https://ground.news/interest/israeli-palestinian-conflict
This site collects news from multiple sources, tells you their political affiliation, shows the difference in summary based on left / center / right news sources, and optionally shows a lot more like ownership network etc if you pay for it.
Nothing will be neutral, but I like it to get an overview.
Part of critical reading is collecting more sources, not less. You’ll have to read differing opinions and make up your own mind
That’s the neat part - you don’t.
The idea that there could be a truly neutral source is not really realistic, human minds do not work that way and there are many other reasons why it’s even harder than that.
As long as you stay away from the blatant extremes, partisans, people with some other stake in the game, etc., all you can do is evaluate relative bias, and try to adjust for it. It is inevitable that your take isn’t going to be unbiased, either, but this way you’ll have had a decent shot at minimizing wrongness.
Nowhere. There is no such a thing as a neutral report. You need to be able to think for yourself and identify possible biases in an author
There is nowhere you can get unbiased news. You have to analyze the bias and think critically about it if you want to really understand what’s happening.
Just read both Al Jazeera and The Jerusalem Post and take the average.
https://ground.news/interest/israeli-palestinian-conflict
This site collects news from multiple sources, tells you their political affiliation, shows the difference in summary based on left / center / right news sources, and optionally shows a lot more like ownership network etc if you pay for it.
Been using it for a few days now. Not a fan of the UI but seems quite reliable
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BBC is often well regarded but not for this issue, they definitely have a pro Isreal spin to their coverage.
And yet they find themselves being accused of “blood libel” by the government of Israel.
I’m with OP, I don’t know where to find facts that I can be assured are being related without (conscious) bias.
I just wish people of either side and outside could stop being shitty to each other for five goddam minutes.
Are you genuinely interested?
In knowing what’s happening? Yes, definitely.
Modern conflict in Asia/Middle East, (…) is largely upheld by western activity
That’s a funny way to spell Iran
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Do you in all seriousness consider the current conflict in Yemen a Western plot?
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Iran funds an insurgency, Saudi intervenes, and it’s all the fault of the West. I see.
Do you believe there are significant conflicts in the world that aren’t a result of Western plotting? How guilty do you consider the West of the civil war in Myanmar, for example?
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What you said was that modern conflicts are upheld by Western activity. I’m trying to illustrate that you will usually have to dismiss the proximate causes, and sometimes construe very stilted and tenuous explanations, to make that statement fit reality.
America is very powerful and has a presence over much of the world. In virtue of this power, their involvement, or lack of involvement, is always an important factor in conflicts. This does not mean that they cause those conflicts.
AP News is ‘supposed’ to give unbiased news…they’re ok given how highly topical it is.
The most neutral coverage I’ve seen was from The Intercept.
It has a fairly anti-establishment bias, but that includes both Hamas, the PA, and the IDF.
They basically give a crap about civilians, but not about any of the institutional interests causing them to suffer, and spread that evenly across the various players.
Bad guys vs villains is never neutral. The winner writes the history and call themselves the justice. That’s how conflict works
I haven’t found any, let me know if you do!
I just try to find all the information I can from all sources of all types, and then stress about my complete inability to be sure what is even true, considering how much of it is contradictory. The only thing I’m certain I learned is that neither side of this wants to tell the truth all the time, and new news will often change over the course of a week or so as people get caught in lies.
So far nowhere. You have to read multiple takes and glean the truth within.
Reuters and AP are about the most neutral, reputable news sources youll find.
