Well the solution here is to just use the superior distro, naturally.
This post will surely upset nobody.
the superior distro
Finally, puppy linux is getting the recognition it deserves
I ordered something from someone awhile back and it came with a free flash drive in the shape of a credit card. It had pictures of puppies on it so naturally it’s a puppy linux drive now.
This is entirely irrelevant but hopefully someone gets a smile out of it.
flash drive shaped like a credit card
Wait, what?
Thin, credit-card-sized USB drives are a popular promotional gimmick because they have a practical use but also have a large surface area for promoting your brand. Most often given out as vendor gifts.
Weird, but interesting!
If you donate to the FSF, you get a member card with pre-installed Linux.
and GNU?
I think you mean Hannah Montana Linux.
Puppy ftw
Puppy’s awesome. I’ve used it on a laptop so old I had to install a bootloader in the MBR so it would boot from USB. It ran like a dream.
When did TempleOS start supporting .deb files?
Agreed. Debian Linux is just a children distro with a fibonacci logo that god created.
You’re right! If a deb file exists then surely it’s in the AUR. ABS will repackage it seamlessly for you and then install it directly with Pacman.
Btw I use Arch
TRIGGERED
Linux mint ftw
is there a way to make it work like a rolling release of sorts? i’d want to use debian, but i don’t want to stay with old packages and wait 2 years for an update
You could use debian testing. It’s a somewhat “rolling-release” model. You will get more up to date packages with more stability too.
You could also use unstable, but I wouldn’t recommend it personally.
Edit: if you really need the most up to date version of some packages, you can pin them to use the unstable repo. This would be a pretty reasonable solution.
You could just go with Debian unstable. I rarely ran into issues while running it in a rolling release style.
Debian testing might also work for you. But it will have a freeze window before each release.
As will have debian unstable. That’s the way it goes, for a few months every few years it slows down until the new stable gets released. Testing is just 10 days after unstable to avoid the biggest bugs.
Never had big problems with debian unstable in 15 years though, as long as you use apt-listbugs
sparky Linux is based on Debian and it has stable and rolling release
BRB. Sharpening my teeth.
Savage. 💣
Most of such packages, be it deb rpm or really whatever, have their AUR entry, install and run fine on Arch.
I don’t care I use Arch BTW. Someone would have made a AUR package for it by now.
Most of the air is converted deb
Can you breathe converted deb?
Let me try and get bac…
So nice of you to hit send before passing out. You’re a true hero.
hopefully he didn’t bat
I would have never guessed an Arch linux user would go by reddit_sux
My other fediverse account is reddit_sux@iusearchlinux.fyi just to hammer the point even more.
Even worse: the .deb file’s dependences are only available in a specific version of Ubuntu LTS or with PPAs.
As someone who’s used debian based distros for 20+ years now, I see no issue with this. ;)
I use Debian btw
Testing or bust.
Bookworm
Sid on home PC, Bookworm on work laptop
As an Ubuntu user of 17+ years, I concur.
Only problem is remembering to keep it updated.
That’s where the AUR comes in. Some neckbeard somewhere has already made an AUR package of that.
Then we should appreciate them. Is it fair to call them neckbeards when they toil away at the code coalface for our benefit?
Well … do they have a neckbeard? /s
This is literally me calling a marine “Jarhead” or “grunt”. Sorry, military habits never die. I’m showing them love by calling them that, at least that’s what my intentions are.
Shit half the time it’s right in the main repo under Extra.
This is why Arch is the best. Forget the rolling release, it’s the sheer size of the repos for me.
I’ve daily drivered arch for a couple months now. Only a few time have I not searched and found a wiki/forum with the precise error/comment and a solution/fix for the problem.
It’s almost literally insane.
How would you compare it to Ubuntu? I have never tried Arch before.
Well for a start it’s compulsory to tell everyone you use it.
I have run all kinds of distros. Loved them all, btw. But nothing comes even close to arch and its derivatives. I’ve been running emdeavourOS for almost 1.5 years now and it’s been fantastic. The AUR is godsend. I have never bothered with flatpaks, snaps or appimages. AUR has everything I need.
I’m going from Ubuntu 16 or so (took a break since then). The flexibility/customization/wikis of arch make it better IMO
If you’re moderately comfortable with the command line, Arch is amazing. I find it considerably easier to find software I want to install, and find answers to problems I have.
I would say that if you’re not interested in
learningwhen something goes wrong, so you’re not really interested in anything other thani don't care I just want it to workthen it’s not the distro for you.The rolling release style is really great and Arch is rock solid, so if you are looking for something a little more user friendly, Endeavor is worth a try as it is Arch based but focused on an easier to use system.
I installed Arch for the first time in March of last year for my primary gaming PC. Previously my gaming PCs were windows but I keep a separate file server and HTPC each running Ubuntu. I’m in the process of switching both of them over to Arch now because I just consider package management and updates so much easier.
Or the OpenSUSE OBS instance for OpenSUSE, it has repositories with packages for almost anything.
It’s kind of hard to find but you can browse everything at http://software.opensuse.org
Nothing Distrobox can’t fix. I can run AUR, RPM, and even those deb files that only run on Ubuntu for some damn reason on my Debiain system.
It’s probably already in your default repos too.
This shit is crazy thanks for letting me know
even those deb files that only run on Ubuntu for some damn reason on my Debiain system.
FUCK i understand now! the software i wanted to install had a .deb but its website said it was for ubuntu 20.04, no wonder it didn’t work on a debian container!
i’ll try this RIGHT NOW, hope it works!
it didn’t work, but i soon found out by looking at it’s entry on the AUR that the package is itself broken, not the distro environment it’s supposed to be installed on
Ain’t my fault you forgot about
dpkg -i;-)I remember alien back in the day.
Edit: holy shit this is still maintained https://wiki.debian.org/Alien
holy shit this is still maintained
The struggles of a Linux user
holy shit i had no idea lol
Thankfully RHEL/Centos/Fedora also get attention thanks to the large corporate influence.
Anything else can just be compiled from scratch, after spending 6 hours trying to figure out what ajfiwn-0-libs-dev is in redhat land, only to find out it was libfiwn-devel all along.
pkgs.org with
pkgconifg(package-name)as the search string: let me introduce myselfNobody needs a website, literally just
dnf install "pkgconfig(libfoo-1)"ordnf install /usr/include/fooheader.h. Most sane package manager ever.That’s a thing?? Amazing, I just found out about this not long ago, now seeing that being integrated in the package manager too is next level!
It’s actually just metadata in the rpms, nothing special. OpenSUSE adds even more like “typelib(Gtk-3.0)”.
This is why you use glorious Debian.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/alien-pkg-convert/
It’s only been around like forever.
I was gonna say “has no one in here heard of alien?”. I’ve rarely ever had to use it… because I use Arch.
alien never worked for me, i tried once but it led to an unistallable package
alien never worked for me
I tried it once
Lol
He is technically correct, the best kind of correct.
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Arch is viable because the AUR is full of converted debs and package managers keep things up to date. Most distros have a method to install this kind of software but honestly universal out of the box flatpak support can’t come soon enough for consumer distros. We need canonical to give up on snap for Ubuntu desktop
Debtap is suprisingly easy to use after switching to arch (highly recommend), but i actually love .deb files. Obviously it’s a slight risk to the user in the similar way dot EXE’s can be for windows , but they really do simplify package management for when you’re newer to linux.
BlendOS Will let you install virtually any package format through containerization, but it shows up just as if it was a native app. It’s pretty neat to see and I hope more distros adopt this
Where distrobox
As someone who’s never used Linux, TIL that software doesn’t work across all flavours of Linux.
Well it does technically, the issue we’re talking about is how it’s packaged, one you extract the package the software will work just the same (assuming there aren’t any version mismatches between kernel modules). DEBs (Debian based distros) and RPMs (RedHat based distros) are the two biggest package formats, the next common format is a tar ball.
Add to this, this gives birth to more modern packaging format like flatpak, appimage, and snap, that works across all distro with proper permission control.
Now for most graphical apps, you just search on the app store and click install, like a iphone user.
Don’t mention the S-word here, some people might come out of their basement to tell you how it’s the worst thing since proprietary software.
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I think you might be talking about two group of Linux user. I think majority of the user realized that shared dependency is not scalable in the recent couple years, yet there are still a loud minority that oppose dupilicated dependencies.
Finally, I think the three universal package formats provide better sandboxing support than msi. But appx in windows are very much inline with these packaging formats.
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shared dependency is not scalable
Explain yourself.
a loud minority
Kernel develipers, libraries developers, compiler developers, distro maintainers, mirrors hosters, anyone whose system runs not on few terabytes disk and gigabit internet.
I heard some geniuses put entire graphical drivers into snap/flatpak/appimages.
like a iphone user.
I DON’T WANT THIS
The software itself should run, but the installers themselves use different standards. I’m pretty sure you could set up your own distro to use installers from different one, though it may require some work.
now you know 😫
Windows kind of has that too, with all the .MSI, .exe, .msix and all the appxpackages and how almost none of that works out of the box anymore because you’d otherwise be able to install another browser without opening edge once
I’m a Mac user, so they made it as simple as possible for our simple brains. That said, no old 32bit Steam games for me ☹️
Yeah, Valve sucks with the “we’re not rewriting this for 64 bit because there’s no benefit” stance. It’s a pain in the ass to use on Linux because you have to have the 32 bit counterpart of everything it uses alongside the 64 bit counterpart that literally everything else uses. You would think they would finally decide to rewrite it since they’re a major Linux contributor, and their handheld runs Linux.
Fortunately, using a neat tool called Whisky, I’m able to install the Windows Steam client, from which I can download and play the Portal games, because they’re proper. But that’s M1/2 only.
Since you mentioned you’ve never used Linux, you may find it amusing that similar windows compatibility software exists for Linux and is called Wine. Whisky and Wine.
Whisky is just a Wine wrapper. It’s still Wine under the hood.
Yeah, Wine is a thing on Mac too. Never really dug too far into it though. Whisky is easy to use though.
last time I used Mac, I still need to go online and grab the dmg file (or whatever the extension of the file is) myself, since most app is not avaliable in the app store, like jetbrains app and adobe apps.
Is it still the case?
Yeah, that’s most often the case. I very rarely install from the App Store unless the software I’m after has a link on their site.
