Broad estimates of US war victims range up to 12 million (a liberal estimate), whereas the Nazis killed over 13 million through mass killings alone (eg the Holocaust + exterminated minorities). The Soviet Union alone lost 20 to 27 million depending on who you ask.
In addition to the 500k-millions of native peoples and hundreds of tribes the US systematically nearly eradicated, lets take just a few more examples.
Vietnam: 1.5M killed
Laos: 300k
Iraq: 1M
Indonesia: 500k-1M
Korea: 500k
Japan: 200k-1M in civilian bombings
And I haven’t even started on operation condor and latin america yet.
The real tragedy is that of the victims who got stuck in the middle between two doctrines hell-bent on global domination.
The case of Imperial Japan is equivalent to that of Nazi Germany. A fascist regime that saw millions intentionally slaughtered and worked to death across Asia.
Here are some links for reading more about the killings related to:
Not disputing that, but Nazi Germany trumps that in numbers easily. If we take the upper estimates of these you get 5.5 million people (only half of the liberally estimated total of 12 million).
Again, I’m not disputing how horrible this all is, but it’s just not the same. This is decades of US warfare compared to just 6-9 years of Nazi Germany. And the comparison gets even worse considering world population at the time was much lower than it is now.
The post does not go into kill counts as a direct comparison. It simply states that the us will be remembered as worse than nazi germany. So no, that is not the reason. I’m calling out your behavior specifically as problematic.
Bro just admit it, US is the OG third Reich. It was literally founded on Genocide and kept doing it until the Native population became irrelevant.
The Nazis literally planned Lebensraum after being inspired by ‘Manifest Destiny’ and modeled the Nuremberg laws after the Jim Crow. I suggest you read a book.
I am once again telling you to pick up a history book on US imperialism. You fucks just care about atrocities more when it’s inflicted on white people more than when it’s inflicted on colored people. The US literally preserved fascism in the western hemisphere to prevent the spread of Socialism.
I am taking atrocities against people of colour into account. These were genocidal and unequivocally horrible. But one really shouldn’t start understating the crimes of Nazi Germany to make the US look worse. It already looks terrible, comparing it to the Nazis makes it look comparatively better which is the opposite of what you’re trying to achieve (seriously, just the number of people killed in the Soviet Union is insane conceptually).
US atrocities, crimes and genocides can stand on their horrible own and be sufficiently terrible to convince people that the US is shit.
If anything, it exposes how inhumane and cruel the US Foreign policy has been. Why are you so fixated on making the American Empire look less harmful which is contradictory to the historical reality? Are you an Ameriphile?
In addition to the 500k-millions of native peoples and hundreds of tribes the US systematically nearly eradicated, lets take just a few more examples.
And I haven’t even started on operation condor and latin america yet.
The real tragedy is that of the victims who got stuck in the middle between two doctrines hell-bent on global domination.
The case of Imperial Japan is equivalent to that of Nazi Germany. A fascist regime that saw millions intentionally slaughtered and worked to death across Asia.
Here are some links for reading more about the killings related to:
Imperial Japan
North Vietnam & the Vietnam War
North Korea & the Korean War
This popped up in my feed today:
Not disputing that, but Nazi Germany trumps that in numbers easily. If we take the upper estimates of these you get 5.5 million people (only half of the liberally estimated total of 12 million).
Again, I’m not disputing how horrible this all is, but it’s just not the same. This is decades of US warfare compared to just 6-9 years of Nazi Germany. And the comparison gets even worse considering world population at the time was much lower than it is now.
Sounds like they are in good company, millions is millions, but I’d argue America has committed more genocides.
I hope you take a moment and reflect on why you insist on approaching comparative history in this way.
Because that’s what Dessalines did, and I literally mentioned they probably shouldn’t do that.
Maybe it’s because this is a comment thread about comparative history being performed in the same manner?
The post does not go into kill counts as a direct comparison. It simply states that the us will be remembered as worse than nazi germany. So no, that is not the reason. I’m calling out your behavior specifically as problematic.
Bro just admit it, US is the OG third Reich. It was literally founded on Genocide and kept doing it until the Native population became irrelevant. The Nazis literally planned Lebensraum after being inspired by ‘Manifest Destiny’ and modeled the Nuremberg laws after the Jim Crow. I suggest you read a book.
I’m not disputing US atrocities, I’m saying that claiming it’s worse than the Nazis were will invite heavy, imo legitimate scrutiny.
I am once again telling you to pick up a history book on US imperialism. You fucks just care about atrocities more when it’s inflicted on white people more than when it’s inflicted on colored people. The US literally preserved fascism in the western hemisphere to prevent the spread of Socialism.
I am taking atrocities against people of colour into account. These were genocidal and unequivocally horrible. But one really shouldn’t start understating the crimes of Nazi Germany to make the US look worse. It already looks terrible, comparing it to the Nazis makes it look comparatively better which is the opposite of what you’re trying to achieve (seriously, just the number of people killed in the Soviet Union is insane conceptually).
US atrocities, crimes and genocides can stand on their horrible own and be sufficiently terrible to convince people that the US is shit.
If anything, it exposes how inhumane and cruel the US Foreign policy has been. Why are you so fixated on making the American Empire look less harmful which is contradictory to the historical reality? Are you an Ameriphile?
And US America is still going, the worst is yet to come