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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ to Memes@lemmy.mlEnglish • 6 months ago

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ to Memes@lemmy.mlEnglish • 6 months ago
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  • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
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    It was quite swift initially, and if the west didn’t torpedo the deal then the whole thing could’ve been over in 2 months.

    • @ReCursing@lemmings.world
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      I seem to remember the Russians got stuck in mud and ran out of fuel pretty swifty I guess

      • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
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        things that absolutely happened outside liberal fantasies

    • @random@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      no, it wouldn’t have been lol, also there is a reason ukraine allied itself with the west

      • @theonlytruescotsman@sh.itjust.works
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        Yeah the reason is primarily corruption. There’s a reason so many Americans specifically related to the state dept either quit their jobs and took up in Ukrainian companies, or directly started investing in Ukraine in the lead up to 2014 and the eventually coup that lead to zelensky being in power. Ukraine isn’t special. It holds no real significance for a US company or investment firm based on its laws or government. But cheap mineral rights and a complete lack of environmental regulation thanks to a captured government? That’s just easy money that also denies a self made US enemy that easy money. And all for the price of the Ukrainian population.

      • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
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        Yeah, the reason being that the west made false promises to Ukraine that led to their destruction as has been the case with every prior western proxy.

        • @Railcar8095@lemm.ee
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          Russia promised to not invade, or rape or pillage… But yeah, west bad because isn’t helping enough.

          • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
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            Ukraine promised to implement Minsk and stop ethnic cleansing in Donbas for 8 years. Then western leaders came out and said that the purpose of Minsk agreements was to give Ukraine more time to arm.

            Meanwhile, the fact that it was the west who sabotaged the peace deal two months in is a well documented help

            • https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/05/5/7344206/
            • https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2022/09/03/west-peace-proposal-ukraine-russia/
            • https://peoplesdispatch.org/2022/10/25/the-west-must-stop-blocking-negotiations-between-ukraine-and-russia/
            • https://www.aaronmate.net/p/ukraines-top-negotiator-confirms
            • even Nuland has now openly admitted this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiS2dg_atfc

            It’s incredible that anybody could be so utterly dishonest to characterize this as helping Ukraine.

            • @random@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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              0•6 months ago

              the us maybe don’t care about ukraine, but ukraine knows that and still sides with the west, why? because russia is the bigger threat to them

              • @BrainInABox@lemmy.ml
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                0•6 months ago

                How’s that going for them?

                • @random@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                  probably good considering that they would be part of the russian empire if they didn’t fight back

                  • @BrainInABox@lemmy.ml
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                    0•6 months ago

                    Did you just wake up from a 120 year coma?

              • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
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                The west literally overthrew a democratically elected government in Ukraine to put in a fascist regime. The regime is the biggest threat to people of Ukraine and they know it. This is why nobody is actually signing up to fight this war. The reality is that people are being gang pressed into fighting by the nazis https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/15/world/europe/ukraine-military-recruitment.html

                In fact, according to Bloomberg, the share of forcibly mobilized soldiers in the Ukrainian army is 75% https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-11-20/ukraine-s-fight-against-russia-bolstered-by-millionaire-s-brigade

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