‘Safe’ is a bit too vague: what are you looking for?
- If you just need an email that doesn’t belong to GAFAM and is not subjected to US privacy-less laws but need no extra security (no end to end encryption): Infomaniak KSuite(Swiss) is available both as a free plan (20GB email + 15GB Cloud free) and as a paid version (unlimited email storage and 1To Cloud). They also offer just the email, if you don’t need cloud: Kmail ;)
- End to end encryption: Tuta (French), Proton (Swiss), mailbox.org (Germany).
Tuta is German no?
Thx (to both of you), edited my post to reflect that. I was convinced they were French.
No worries, I was fully ready to discover they were French
Stop posting protonmail you bozos, what kind of person only needs a single email tied to a phone number? Preposterous. I won’t even bother bringing up them putting some idiot climate activists in jail since I know “privacy” to redditors means posting about GDPR and turning your brain off
Tuta is allegedly okay (we’re not international drug traffickers so we can pretend other (European) people’s computers are trustworthy bc we don’t need them to be usually) but it doesn’t have imap, so you just use it as the recovery email and then use some other generic free disposable privacy email w imap
Stop posting protonmail you bozos, what kind of person only needs a single email tied to a phone number?
And this is before even getting into their recent scandal with their VPN service.
I won’t touch that shit with a 39 1/2ft poleeee~🎵
What scandal?
the French government used interpol to request the swiss government to request proton to hand over the ip address of a French climate activist
is this the 2021 incident? i heard about that, i thought something new was ment
(Rant) But kind telling that everytime i hear about stuff like this it is somehow an activist who fights for climate change or like in italy with the whatsapp spyware, people who save refugees in the open sea.
And not the mass murder terrorists or child rapists they claim the survailance tools will be used on.
I feel like this was more recent, but it could be that I read it recently. Theres an official response from proton regarding this incident if you want to learn more about the situation.
One benefit of using proton is because your emails live in Switzerland and your data is subject to their laws around data privacy. From what I know, that doesn’t protect you from criminal investigation, but it does protect your data from non government agency requests and data brokers.
The climate activist I’m referring to was squatting in high rises as protest, which is against the law in france. France used interpol to communicate with the swiss government in order to get more information about their suspect. The official response from proton covers more about this incident, and I think it’s likely they had no idea what this climate activist was doing.
Privacy unfortunately does not mean youre free to commit crimes, or even that your personal info is safe from police inquiry. That is anonymity, not privacy.
Although I don’t agree with protons decision to remove wording around logging IPs in their terms of service, it’s disingenuous to think that proton is somehow complicit and is “tracking down activists”. From my perspective, they were following the law, as messed up as the law is.
But proton doesn’t need a phone number? You can just do a captcha. I would never use an email that asks for a phone number. Or even a phone.
They began demanding my phone number after I signed up without it. Not sure why. Was years ago tho
That’s the same trick discord pulls btw it’s shady
They want your IP or your phone. Use a VPN IP or TOR and they’ll require a phone number. That’s been my experience at least. I don’t trust them.
Hmm. That’s not been my experience. I’ve been using proton with VPN with no issue. But yes, as you say, if that’s your experience, it’s shady. I would stay away from them were I in your shoes.
proton.me is not bad.
Proton mail.
tuta mail or mailbox.org are the answer.
Not proton the ceo is a right wing guy.
mailbox.org is a treasure, signed up for mail but it’s so much more useful than that. It’s a true replacement for me of what Google and Microsoft offers additionally to mail.
If you want to use clients other than a webmail tuta wont fit your needs. But, to that end, try both, they are both excellent in their own ways, see what suits you.
Afaik, Proton and Tuta are the only free ones with zero-knowledge encryption
Proton allows only one free email address, which is what taught me to be wary of unexpected restrictions on services. I’ve got to say the only one I trust fully is my own, with complete certainty of security and features are all only limited by the hardware. Whenever someone talks about paying per month to get more emails or storage - nah. Self-host. DuckDuckGo email is a good firewall layer as well - it forwards all mail to your chosen actual address after trying its best to strip the mail of trackers.
You can create as many free email accounts with ProtonMail as you like.
Proton now is a non-profit but their employees still need salary. Throw them a couple bucks if you like their service.
Do that with anyone whose services you enjoy. That’s how you help them survive.
Login into Proton-Pass for 10 free aliases… but, it doesn’t require your ID or anything to create an email, you can create how many you want :S
Have a look at Proton and Tuta (used to be Tutanova)
Used to be Tutanota*
Oops. Correct 👍
Define “safe”?
Like, preferably not spied on like with Gmail or whatever the MS one is.
Been with Posteo for years now. They’re very solid.
I’ve been with Mailbox for years now too. Also very solid.
I’m using runbox with custom domain. No issues.
I am using mailbox.org for years now.
One thing to consider about mailbox.org is that if you don’t use your own custom domain and keep an @mailbox.org address (which afaik is considered a best practice for privacy because it lets you “hide” in the crowd), if you decide to move on later they will make your old address available to others later.
I considered them, but had a problem with two things about them: they both a) don’t allow custom domains (which is fine for privacy) and b) recycle email addresses, meaning that if you move on later they will make your old email address available to others.
I use posteo and simplelogin together.
That’s going to be very interesting with persistent spam senders.
Late to the thread but I use startmail
I’ve been using Tuta for almost two years now and I can’t recommend it enough. It’s really good. Check out tutanota@lemmy.world or https://tuta.com/
It’s hosted in Germany and is very privacy-focused
Were some people concerned with Germany hosting and the way the right leaning party (Germany for Germans?) was gaining popularity? And something about their data views. Although maybe I was wrong.
From whwat I see though mailbox and posteo are the same.
Proton Mail, Tuta mail, runbox.com, to name three.
Proton mail
Been using this for years. Best thing is to get your own domain, that way if you later switch providers, you keep your email.
Been using my domain email more and more for that reason, and the setup with Proton was quite easy, integration is great too. I even set it up with Pass to generate privacy aliases on a subdomain of my domain.
