Yes. Even putting aside what enshittification has done to the userbase in recent years, Reddit has always skewed Democrat, Fediverse skews leftist.
Reasonable
I don’t know about the average user, but the average commenter - almost definitely, yes. Making any kind of centrist or right-leaning noises here gets you mobbed instantly, so most people just don’t bother. Whether that reflects the actual majority or just a loud minority remains unclear.
Probably the latter, as with most things.
Depends on the community. There’s some absolute nutters over on things like hexbear and Lemmy ML.
Definitely
The average Reddit user only exists on a server farm these days
Significantly further left. Communists and anarchists barely exist on reddit while it also has some major right wing subs. Communists and anarchists are a prominant feature of lemmy while it contains almost 0 explicitly right wing communities of significance.
I did notice there are no conservative subs and the one labeled as such is clearly not. You’re right about the communist and anarchists too.
I think that one originally was started for conservatives, but then it got abandoned and someone asked the admins if they could have it to make it a satire sub. Also, your instance does block a fair bit of comms, including ones that are for right-wing (like communities with taglines or website names about being racist and misgendering people) or tankies.
What instance blocks no communities?
Probably none that aren’t like someone’s personal self-hosted server intended for only them. I doubt I’d want to join such either. And any that don’t probably get blocked by other comms anyways, so it wouldn’t really matter.
conservative communities/subs die very fast if they cant crosspost, or troll on other lemmy threads or instances. because to survive as a rigid echo chamber they need the left to argue with.
I did notice there are no conservative subs
They exist on Lemmy, though your home instance may be blocking them or their home instances, or you just may not have seen them.
lemmy.worldhas a fair few instances on their block list. I’ve had to block a few of the more egregious MAGA communities myself.Remember, Lemmy (as a network) is censorship resistant, not censorship free.
I’m apolitical, but from what I notice, almost everyone on this platform is extreme left. They are types that don’t even get triggered by you having to say something that relates to the right. They get triggered if you simply say something that doesn’t conform to the left.
They don’t like the science of biology
They hate guns
They rather be animals than humans
Whatever propaganda the government’s pushing, despite ironically not liking the government, they support.
Why don’t you go back to your loser website then?
You’ve got a lot to choose from.
Odd that you’d try to stay in a place with “extremist left”.
Hey, you never told me what you thought of your newfound knowledge about solar cycles and mRNA vaccines, your post got deleted for some reason
You must of asked someone else that. I never posted about that topic
Ah I remember now, your post was about whether your college education was worth it. My apologies
Who are you lol?
is “the science of biology” code speak for transphobia?
Isn’t it possible to acknowledge biological sex as a fact while also recognising that gender identity is about subjective experience?
It is, but that’s not what’s going on here
I’m not scared of a trans I have no phobias. I mean they hate biology, people like to pretend science isn’t real.
What people exactly are you referring to?
Human people
Do elaborate. Not being able to name the source of your frustration sure sounds like a phobia to me.
Phobia, in this context, means strong aversion to. But I think the fact that you tried to play semantics answered the question well enough.
What do you mean when you say people on this platform “pretend science isn’t real”? The fact that you can’t give a straight answer seems rather telling…
He’s just a troll
I’ll say this, when I was in college I had a particularly silly, in my mind, professor. It was a general cultural anthropology class my freshman year. The teacher spoke about a study done with babies. It had to do with how baby boys and baby girls could crawl at the same speed. But mostly about how the parents assumed the boys would do better. The case showed they crawled around the same speed and their motor skills developed at roughly the same pace. He then used that to extrapolate that women have the same physical capabilities as men. Society telling them otherwise is the only reason they aren’t winning strong man competitions, competing at the same level in the Olympics, etcetera. I believe I am a liberal but I dont think any suggestion regarding biology is automatically anti trans. I think promoting ideas like that professor did are disingenuous and harmful to both sides honestly.
I am open to giving benefit of the doubt, but when someone is “apolitical”, but also doesn’t like left wing talking points, doesn’t directly say what they are talking about and vehemently defends russian war of aggression in other threads, I can’t help but suspect transphobia.
Obviously, your story is the other extreme, but I rarely see that side of the discussion.
anyone that says they are “apolitical, or i hate trump,but” yea those are right wingers, trying to not be called out. or my favorite is how they pretend to be a center right, or on the left it always begins with" i support this and this dem BUT,"
Yeah my goal isn’t to defend that guy, seems like a troll tbh. Really, just wanted to express sometimes unreasonable ideas are pushed and opposition is suppressed via positions of power (professor) or ostracization (trigger word phobic).
I mean, yeah, my point isn’t that only one side is ever correct, but it does usually lean towards one end of the political spectrum than the other in the online discussions. People who are accepting of LGBT+ are on average more level headed and have better critical thinking. Though you can meet trolls and assholes anywhere if you search hard enough
While I don’t think the two sexes have the same physical capabilities, I dislike how being a woman is such a hyperspecific category in sports like someone could be born AFAB and lived as a woman their entire life only to be found as intersex in some test and now they’re automatically a man and should use masculine pronouns.
And as someone who is AFAB, growing up I was often discouraged from going outside, and the gym was off-limits, which would’ve been a disadvantage for me if it wasn’t for calisthenics. It’s not like the physical strength of a man and woman is so far apart either. Some people even claim that an out-of-shape man can overpower a trained woman. In Tug-of-War I’m able to win against an AMAB and I haven’t had any HRT yet lol
I hear you and respect what you’re saying. The difference on average is about 40%-60% based on what I’ve been able to find. In that, the average male is about 40%-60% stronger than the average female. Alot of that is based on ability to accrue muscle mass. Thats not to say some men are on the low end and some women are on the high end. Sure, you can beat a guy at a tug of war but thats not how population averages work. I’ll link one study that shows this but I promise many more exist as well. My position is not that women shouldn’t be in the gym, participating in sports or doing physically active things. My position is that when facts about the world are ignored, the speaker and their side are going to lose credibility.
No you didn’t say anything wrong re: women participating in physical activities, it’s just that the professor had a point. Not that the two sexes have the same physical capability or ceiling (your professor didn’t even factor puberty and hormones), but that women aren’t as strong as they could be because of how society treats them differently. Lots of girls aren’t even allowed to go outside and play rough for example. Because they don’t become as physically capable it becomes a feedback loop where people assume they are weak so they are discouraged from physically demanding activities.
And me mentioning the Tug-of-War thing wasn’t about what you said but a statement against the people I mentioned beforehand who claimed that the physical disparity was so high that an out of shape man can beat a trained woman.
Please elaborate on
“They don’t like the science of biology”
I’m apolitical
Bud you literally want the mentally ill segregated out of society, you’re not apolitical, you’re a nazi.
You could very easily poke holes in the statements he made in that post. Discuss how easily a system like that could be used in a tyrannical context. Calling him a nazi does nothing but further radicalize the fella.
Okay, so feel free to start de-radicalizing them. Go ahead, be my guest, I will happily support you doing that just like I have in all the other threads where people attempt that. I’ll just patiently wait right here while you get on practicing what you preach.
Seriously though, if they don’t wanna be called a nazi, maybe they shouldn’t do stuff like advocate for the implementation of nazi policies. Sure the centrist line about ‘labeling everything you don’t like a nazi devalues the term’ probably has some degree of merit, but that’s not whats happening here. They’re just a regular old far-right authoritarian whackjob troll and pointing out the festering hatred that even lemmy, with it’s much less toxic community compared to reddit or twitter, still has lurking in the userbase is important.
Besides, there’s no way for them to be more radicalized. They’re already a transphobic pro-oligarchical eugenicist with a gun fetish that desperately LARPs as a rich white woman by posting stolen shots of prop money and expensive cars. How much worse could they actually be?
I can’t talk to them because all their comments were removed, not deleted by them, removed… This is also just a general thing for me not centered solely around this individual troll.
Not everyone wants to spend all their energy debating nazis. It’s not going to change the nazi’s mind.
Then there will always be nazis
I notice they didn’t say “live and let live”
So we should just… give up and accept them?
No… how do you get that from what I’ve said. We should out talk them, the example post given is very easy to poke holes in. People can and do change their minds, but only when challenged. Giving up, slapping a label on and holding moral superiority just grows their side. While you get to feel good about calling them a nazi. Doesn’t help anyone and just pushes them further down that hate filled mindset. You beat hate with compassion and conversation, not more hate.
“There will always be nazis” is pretty fatalistic. And beside that point, why can’t we do both? Poking holes in their dingbat ideology and shaming them for how vile they are are by no means mutually exclusive.
I was wondering how many comments it would take before someone was called a nazi. Turns out, 22.
It’s okay tho they made me president of their fanclub so I’m allowed to speak truth to
that dipshit trollpower
This sounds more like you’re painting over all of Lemmy with a hard-core leftist/?furry? brush. That’s not necessarily what I’ve seen, though I’ve only been here a month vs over a decade on reddit. I like guns and science but do still consider myself a liberal.
Well I just am posting what I notice they dislike.
Hate guns? Now I know you’re just making shit up. Lemmy is like the most pro-gun website I’ve ever been on.
My favorite quote: “Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary” -Karl Marx
I don’t even consider myself a “communist”, but that statement is based af.
Before or after reddit started capitulating to fascists and mass bans?
capitulated to MUSK like 2 times, which resulted in 2 massive ban waves. earlier in the year. we also know spez loves MUSk and the gop.
I’d say there’s a wider spectrum on reddit, if only because reddit is so much bigger. Lemmy is mostly center left while reddit goes everywhere.
Yeah that seems to be the case. If lemmy were larger it would probably have a wider variety. When conservatives get banned on reddit I think they go to Twitter or 4chan. Whereas liberals may flock here.
Well since reddit pretends to be far right (and full of bots which is another topic but also renders reddit fake & useless), and most of us are here because Reddit was intolerant of our defiance to adhere to its right-wingedness, yeah I’d say fediverse is left. We’re free people who refuse to have our free-thinking & free speech squashed.
reddits trying to replace it with AI bots, much like facebook is right now. a hybrid child of facebook and Xitter.
A friend of mine always says “Averages are a poor measure of a population. For example: I have more than the average number of legs for a human.”
Reddit is main-stream, so should be (and is) mostly centered. Lemmy is more niche and while it has some far right people, it overall leans left.
Lemmy is more niche and … overall leans left.
Like Reddit used to be in the good days.
that was prior to trumps 1st term, remember the subreddit apocalypse they started banning alot of subs that were “problematic”, it was just placating the GOP and trump who are obsessed with online censorhsip at a time, which was convenient distraction from thier “1st tax cuts”. thats when people were getting significant amount of bans around that time. i was there when r/conspiracy wasnt even political, just your usual conspiracies that have been talked about, that doesnt involved trump, or dems.
before the anti-vax madness of covid, that sub pre-pandemic allowed you to somewhat convince people who are hesitant of vaccines.
i remember reddit being full of techie libertarian bros in the 2000s. it non-authoritarian but it was pretty conservative socially. tons of fragile masculinity brogrammer types who had really warped views on women and ‘the government’.
it started diversifying rapidly in the early 2010s.
yucky, incels. where did they fled here? they probably were on instagram, facebook. one of the favorite refuges when someone is confronted about thier behavior on reddit they flee to facebook, where they can unilaterally delete messages, admin controls(when a community or a fan of a person/youtube channel).
i forgot the channel name, but i think finebros were confronted on reddits AMA about thier shilling for a company. they fled to facebook where they can have thier echochamber.
Yes. Like extremely
reddit suppresses leftist message, outside of center right. now it allows more astroturfing from the right through israel and russia. and were not talking about the extremes like tankies.
Like, if I take a single user that I consider to exemplify each? Yes, the lemming will be left, socially and economically, of the redditor.
If we take a statistical average of each? The lemmy average will be screamingly farther left of the reddit average.
If we exclude bots and take the averages of only human users of each? Farther apart than the first but not nearly as far apart as the the second.
What am I basing this on? Multiple years of modding one of the larger not-explicity-political subs and also two explicitly political subs. So, vibes, basically, but lots of them over a long time.
Id agree. I spent around a decade on reddit and only about a month here. I think a big part of it is just the smaller user base on Lemmy. I’m personally a liberal but not a far left one. Noticing a particularly strong tilt here.
I’ve definitely had to block far more tankies here than right wingers. They are such an odd bunch. Never heard of them before I came here. They seem like a weird thought-experiment run amok.
Tankies?
It’s the new word for “pinko.”
And it says exactly the same thing about the person using it.
Authoritarian campist bootlickers pretending to be leftists. They have far more in common with the right wing than leftists and can often be found trying to defend Russia, China and North Korea. Lemmy’s developers are tankies.
they share the same talking points thats why. its almost always “lib this or that” or even calling it woke, although they dont use that word, they say something similar.
Yea, like ‘communists’ who have gone so far ‘left’ that they will stand by authoritarian regimes like China and the USSR despite evidence showing them to be abusive to citizens in similar ways to capitalism.
Farewell, for I must away again before they hunt me for sport like they did during the Russian revolution. (I am an anarchist, btw. Welcome to Lemmy)
Ah, I see. Sounds like a shit group.
USSR and ccp are more to the right than the left, but tankies dont know that.
yea, that’s what I was implying, hence the quotations around “communists” and “left” (technically I used apostrophies, but I use *nix, so same difference)
Eh, at least I never seen a comment telling me to “go back to [my] country” on Lemmy, so a slight improvement. The far right is way more nasty than the average tankie. Some tankies are just hillarious, especially like “Cowbee” parrotting ridiculous pro-CCP views, its like comic relief.
the far right uses alot of racist, bigoted way of arguing thats why. transphobia seems to thier choice of attack, or calling people libs are worst than the gop,etc.
I don’t understand tankies…
Like dude, it’s so clear russia and cccp are not left leaning! They are foremost self-serving!
This is like calling the Nazis left leaning because they had a few social policies.
Also, I mean I also like soviet aesthetics, it doesn’t mean that I am going to ass lick their authoritarian asses.
People lack nuance.
Its basically the opposite of Cuban Americans, who lived in a self-proclaimed “communist” regime and therefore hates anything remotely associated with “the left”, and thinks conservatism is somehow “pro-freedom”.
Tankies on the internet are mostly westerners who, because they disagree with the way their country does things, decides to hate everything about their country and “the west” in favor of the “other side”
It’s Campism
As a Chinese-American, I see through the bullshit of both China and the US, the different flavors of nationalism, I have my own experience in the first decade of my life there, as well as my relatives’ direct testimonies, including two of them who are my parents who, even tho has biases in worldview, generally has truthful information, and also my aunts who are still in China and has regular contact with my parents, and the various friends of my parent who frequently travel to and from China, that, along with my experience growing up in the US, I have a more knowledged worldview than either a Mainland Chinese who spent their entire life in China, or a Westerner who’ve never lived life in China from the PoV of a local.
I know that both countries have their issues, but I do know that, it’s a consensus amongst the Chinese Diaspora (those that I know, anyways) that western countries are typically better than whatever “communist” (which isn’t even communist, they are State Capitalist) thing they got going on in China. The west isn’t perfect, xenophobia and racism does exist, as always when you mix people from different backgrounds, but if you get over that hurdle, find somewhere relatively liberal/progressive, things are usually better. And also I know enough about what the acual economic system in the “communist” country is actually like, and not become an idiot that supports far-right “anti-communists” xenophobes, like… wtf people, stop siding against your own right to live in the country.
Most people don’t get the opportunity to live in both worlds, and lack of information is how people form those extremist views, either completely believes that their country is always right all the time, or completely believes their country is always wrong all the time and that therefore the other side is right. Reality is much more nuanced.
i feel like tankies never read a history or looked up on communism, USSR, cuba. just the fact they “are communist” was enough.
same here, i think because right wingers are mostly defederated, or went back to REDDIT. THE TRIAD tankies know they are blocked, so they try to create new accounts on different instances to start thier spamming or trolling.
Depends, the average .world user is roughly equivalent to the average Reddit user. However I would say the average blahaj or db0 user is significantly further left.
world is probably the ones that were on political or news subs that got banned or “astroturfed” and came to worlds to do the same.
Yeah the average blahaj user believes trans rights are human rights and that’s too much for some communities to handle
Ikr, some communities really do be saying “erm akshurally we need to compromise”. Mfr what? These are my basic human rights
