China? The US is currently more compeeting with North Corea respect freedom and human rights.
and who supports north korea?
Why believe 1953 America about Korea?
Why believe 1965 America about Vietnam?
Why believe 1975 America about the USSR?
Why believe 1991 America about Iraq?
Why believe 2001 America about Iraq (again)?
Why believe 2003 America about Afghanistan?
Why believe 2014 America about Syria?
Why believe 2023 America about Palestine?
Why believe 2025 America about Korea?
Ah, another Chinese and Russian propaganda post by a new user on Lemmy.ml. I’m starting to note a pattern here. If they can’t get it together over there, maybe we should hold a vote to defederate from them. We don’t need Lemmy as a whole becoming meta, a playground For shell accounts and agitators.
maybe we should hold a vote to defederate from them
They’re right, cry about it
100% Agree. They all seem to be excusing chinese authoritarianism
Bedtimes are authoritarian
No bedtime, no spinach 😤
Not to mention, it’s always the dumbest finger-pointing arguments that make them sound like children. Also, I wouldn’t be surprised if China was using children to write these posts.
Does the liberal mindset have no bottom to the ChInA BaD narratives it can spin?
Will Winnie the Pooh ever stop providing evidence that it’s a shitty place to live?
Winnie the Pooh was never banned in China, be less gullible
Winnie the Pooh was never banned in China
It absolutely was banned in China. Be less contrarian.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Winnie-the-Pooh_in_China
Oh my, you have a NATOpedia article? Clearly that’s beyond reproach.
I guess Epstein killed himself and Nordstream just did that on its own.
Lol you are like a little baby
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Using a yellow bear to refer to a Chinese man is pretty clearly a racist dogwhistle.
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China is a great place to live, that is constantly improving and developing. The evidence backs this.
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China isn’t imperialist, it doesn’t run an economy focused on international extraction like the west does.
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Yeah every one I’ve come across in the last few days have sounded like children. Or maybe they didn’t train hard enough on their language skills at troll camp
We are not all like this. I find memes like these stupid too.
Pure projection
Oh no! What ever will we do without the libs!
Imagine shilling for the modern Chinese and Russian states like they’re anything like the dreams of Marx Lmao. Ah yes, dictatorial oligarchic state ala Russia and a mass survailed and thought crime regulating state ala China , what a worker’s paradise.
Here’s a question for your PRC handlers, if your ideas are so good, why do you feel the need to limit your citizen’s access to information? Why did they feel the need to treat Hong Kong in such a way?
Because they have the same mentality as the uber religious, they think their beliefs are the one truth, but yet they’re terrified they can’t stand up to new information.
Don’t get me wrong, America sucks for workers, but I have waaaay more civil liberties than these places, for now
You are correct, this is all imaginary
Imagine shilling for the modern American and European states like they’re anything anything like the ideals of socialism. Lmao. Ah yes, a neo-liberal oligarchic state ala America and a mass-surveilled and thought-crime regulating state ala the EU, what a worker’s paradise.
Here’s a question for your NATO handlers, if your ideas are so good, why do you feel the need to limit your citizen’s access to affordable healthcare? Why did they feel the need to treat the working class in such a way?
Because they have the same mentality as the uber religious, they think their beliefs are the one truth, but yet they’re terrified they can’t stand up to new information.
Don’t get me wrong, China might have its small issues, but at least they prioritize collective welfare over individual greed.
Just changing the Countries names doesn’t make it true… There is no mass surveillance in Europe. There is in China.
There is britain, the most surveilled country on earth… its in europe…
There’s absolutely mass surveilance in Europe, lmao.
Sure buddy, if you say so
Yes, I do, lol.
Extremely incorrect, in any easily verifiable way for which a reasonable person would be deeply embarrassed
your NATO handlers
You’ve definitely absorbed some propaganda. It’s anyone’s guess whether it came from Russia or China though. There is literally no reason to have a problem with NATO.
NATO is a millitary alliance of the world’s imperialist powers. Just like the cops are the thugs protecting capital, NATO are the fascists protecting imperialism. NATO destroyed Libya and Yugoslavia, and has launched terrorist attacks.
Small issues . Lmao ok. Tell me what the the villages are like in rural China. Have the collective welfare trickled down to them yet?
And open access to information via the internet and open speech are one of the main pillars of a successful society, and neither states have that. Who cares if you’re my comrade of I can’t speak against you if need be or have the ability to refute your information with research.
China has one of the fastest growing numbers of millionaires in the world yet its farmers and factory workers are still poor as shit, how’s that collectivism? It’s just state capitalism
This is a tier 4 city in China. Which is far down the development ladder and considered poor.
The vast majority of Chinese live in cities like this or better. Saying that there are still poor villages, well I give you this
Kensington Philadelphia is so drug infested people walk around like zombies. Does China have poor areas like that? Actually no, even the poorest villages aren’t that bad.
The gap between rural and urban development has long been acknowledged and is already something worked on. The famous poverty eraducation campaign was focused on just that. Read The Metamorphosis of Yuangudui to see what that looks like in practice.
Secondly, the speech of capitalists and western media is restricted, but citizens speak to each other freely. The purpose of the control on western and capitalist propaganda is to develop independence and not let the west set the narrative.
Lastly, purchasing Power in 2022 was 25 times higher than 1978. This process is continuous. Further, the large firms and key industries are publicly owned, it’s a socialist country. You need to turn off Fox News and actually look at what’s happening in China right now.
citizens speak to each other freely
Can citizens investigate their government and publish and distribute criticisms of their government?
Depends, are they capitalists trying to undermine the system, or are they genuinely in support of socialism? If the former, no, if the latter, probably, though again if your other comments are anything to go by you just want liberalism to take over China.
Please report comments like this in the future ppl.
ew a China apologist
Lemmy.ml has a ton of communists, communists tend to support socialist countries 🤷
At some point, you gotta dance with who brung ya. If, after over a century of experimentation, you conclude that every single AES state is as evil as the CIA tells us, there’s not much socialism to support.
You also really need to jam your eyes shut and ignore the enormous improvements in quality of life, even in the face of adverse economic headwinds, in the surviving socialist block. “Ah, but I’m not free to shitpost on the Internet the same way!” is such sad metric for a country’s success
You mean freedom of speech… That’s what you’re saying is not an important value? The freedom to speak truth to power without the goon squad kicking down your door? Clearly that is being eroded in the US right now, but China certainly doesn’t have it.
China has it for the working class. Capitalist speech and misinformation are targeted, but the working class is largely free to say what they want.
It doesn’t exist, how is that hard to admit for you? Freedom of speech is intended to protect exactly the kind of speech you disagree with, otherwise it’s not a thing. “Largely free” = NOT FREE
Then nowhere has freedom of speech. True freedom of speech only exists for the ruling class of society, and the speech of those other classes oppressed by them that agree with the ruling class. In the US Empire, freedom of speech only truly exists for capitalists. In the PRC, it’s the opposite, it only exists for the working class, and those who do not oppose the working class.
You mean freedom of speech…
I mean “posting online”.
The freedom to speak truth to power without the goon squad kicking down your door?
Has never existed in a practical sense within the United States. Not under Bush. Not under Eisenhower. Not under Woodrow Wilson. Not under James Buchanan. Not under John Adams.
Americans have a long and storied history of arresting outspoken dissidents, assaulting them, and disappearing anyone who persisted.
Clearly that is being eroded in the US right now
We have more political prisoners in jail today than China has had since the end of the colonial era.
China is about as socialist as my shit is a bouquet of roses.
It’s capitalism. It’s always capitalism.
False.
Is China State Capitalist?
- The backbone of the economy is state ownership and socialist planning. 24 / 25 of the top revenue companies are state-owned and planned. 70% of the top 500 companies are State-owned. 1, 2 The largest bank, construction, electricity, and energy companies in the world, are CPC controlled entities, subject to the 5 year plans laid out by the central committee.
- Workplace democracy in action in the CPC.
- Is modern day china communist? Is it staying true to communist values?
- Didn’t China go Capitalist with Deng Xiaoping? Didn’t it liberalize its economy? Is China’s drastic decrease in poverty a result of the increase in free market capitalist policies?
- Is the CPC committed to communism?
- The Long Game and Its Contradictions. Audiobook
- The myth of Chinese state capitalism. Did Deng really betray Chinese socialism?
- Tsinghua University- Is Socialism with Chinese Characteristics real socialism, or is it state Capitalism?
- Isn’t China revisionist for having a capitalist sector of the economy, and working with capitalists? Why isn’t it fully planned like the USSR was?
- Castro on why both China and Vietnam are socialist countries.
- Roderic Day - China has billionaires.
- What is socialism with Chinese characteristics (SWCC)?
- How is SWCC not revisionist? How is it any different from Gorbachev’s market reforms?, 2
- Domenico Losurdo - is China state capitalist?, 2
- Did Lenin say anything about Market Socialism, or productivism?
- Vijay Prashad - Is China capitalist?
- Why do Chinese billionaires keep ending up in prison? Why are many billionaires and CEOs going missing? China sentences Ex-Chairman of a major bank, guilty of embezzling ~$100M USD, to death in 2019.
- China cracks down on billionaires - Ben Norton interviews Ian Goodrum
- Do capitalists control the communist party? No, pic
- How the State runs business in China.
The large firms and key industries are overwhelmingly publicly owned, and the working class is in charge of the state. It’s been socialist since the CPC beat the Kuomintang. The presence of private property in a system doesn’t mean the system is capitalist, this was already understood in Marx’s time.
This is your brain on black-and-white thinking
Nah dude, nobody talked about an in-between. China bad, and America going bad too. In his image op implies people think that because China bad, america cannot be lol. That’s stupid
Yall would be demonizing the Algerians or Vietnamese people fighting for their independence from France’s ruthless colonial rule as “authoritarian”, and “both sides bad”.
I was gonna reply stuff but I don’t see how I could gain anything from it ? I was initially saying op’s take implied something stupid (note that I’m not saying your scapegoats don’t exist; but if they do they’re probably a minority), and that yours created a kind of “moderate” persona who’s always in between political views to mock that other user’s comment about not everything being all black or white. Which I replied to by affirming China already black and america going darker.
And now you’re bringing more unrelated shit into athe situation lol. Isolating both china and america they both look like shit, albeit one more than the other. Idk who the fuck is in your “y’all” but it doesn’t really matter to me and I don’t feel targeted. I don’t know enough about the stuff you tried to push on me to properly debate anyways, so I’m just gonna go sleep and enjoy my night lol.
It can be both. Carrying water for china you fucjing loser.
Libs be like “this is a totally organic movement with broad local support”
Take a moment to imagine the absolutely demonic levels of McCarthyism that would be unleashed if it was discovered that BLM or the Green Party were headquartered in Beijing.
They even have the same fucking graphic design style of the state department fam lmao how are gringos real
Don’t forget they also love Israel. Xinjiang averted the fate of Gaza and all the people complaining about China being “heavy handed” there should just shut up.
Holy shit
Poor analogy. The US kills muslim people like they were rats. The secretary of offense is covered in tattoos glorifying the Medieval crusades and wrote a book titled “American Crusade” explaining the US is in a “holy war” agains muslims and China.
So “East Turkestan government in exile” is headquartered in the capital of the empire that is is in a bloodthirsthy fanatical war against muslims. This empire also has “must destroy China” as its foreign policy absolute priority.
Therefore, the corret analogy would be a separatist Jewish movement that wanted to take away a critical part of the USSR. And it is funded and headquartered in Nazi Germany. Who would believe them? The same people who believe the US is motivated by love of Muslims and only reluctantly funds a separatist movement to take away a critical part of China.
Why does he wear military clothing? Can the ICE agents not also just wear civilian clothes?
Being in uniform plus body armor and padding adds more to intimidation.
yeah that increases the propaganda effect of this meme.
Responding to a federated comment because I don’t have a .ml account:
Okay, but we are talking about a country where you aren’t allowed to form a political party that opposes the CCP, right?
There are eight other parties in the People’s Republic of China other than the *CPC
My favorite is the ICP
What does a totalitarian state even mean? Based on liberals, left communists, and anarchists, it’s every socialist experiment that had lasted a great amount of time and accomplished better living standards for their citizens. 😂
China IS a totalitarian state, and the US is turning into one…by acting more like China.
Shit redditors say 😂
If the US acted more like China y’all could actually be the best country in the world like your delusional population believes.
Rising standards of living, life expectancy, housing for everyone, affordable healthcare and fresh produce. What horrors, they don’t even poison themselves with hormone burgers bro.
But the entire world is experiencing rising standards of living and life expectancy, due to improvements in medicine and agriculture.
And don’t citizens have to pay for their healthcare in China? It’s only partially subsidized. Is that a country you want to emulate?
False. The US prison population (relative to total population) is more than five times superior to China’s. US prisons are for-profit and lease prisioners to perform slave labor for other companies.
China is not only freer than Trump’s US, it is freer than Obama’s or Clinton’s US.
By the way, US elections have only two viable parties by design. Billionaires control the media and campaing funding. The system allows two choices for the people:
- Republicans: the entire world, including its natural resources and its people, are the private property of 100 persons.
- Democrats: Agreed! But we impose gender quotas on this 100-persons elite. This makes us democratic ™.
What on earth do you mean by “totalitarian?” China’s a democratic country, if the US was acting more like China we’d actually have good infrastructure, manufacturing, democracy, and a coherent plan for the future. Sadly, the US isn’t a socialist country.
China’s a democratic country
You know how America’s two party system is bad and really just a shadow of democracy?
China has a one-party system.
Democracy doesn’t mean “the ability to vote between parties,” it means the ability for the people to dictate policy. Socialist democracy cares far more about the latter than the former, while capitalists sell the lie that the former is what democracy even means to begin with.
It’s insane that people would even dare to compare the two. China literally doesn’t even have a legal system that pretends to be functioning and a Chinese person can’t even type LGTBQ on the internet. Isn’t that insane?
US is like 5/10 while China is literally breaking the scale.
liberals brain breaking
System of a Down - The Prison Song
Yes, both countries have serious problems. At least Americans can discuss theirs openly.
Just don’t demand or try to enact real lasting change
You are free to protest as long as we can tuck you in the corner and ignore you
Tell that to Malcolm X, MLK, or Fred Hampton
And it’s not like those were one-offs, COINTELPRO was crazy in scope and did massive damage beyond just the murders.
It’s not like that’s all in the past either, just look at how the Palestine protests were handled as well as the Floyd protests.
The freedom to shout into the void and have none of your concerns addressed.
Not to mention the fact that China has far more open discourse than the US and its media organs / capitalist controlled platforms allow.
I’ll take “things foreigners say when they’ve never been to China” for 500 Alex
I’ll take “sexpat that’s been to China, never left his bubble and is a China expert now” for 500 alex
Never claimed to be any kind of China expert but it’s absurd to claim “much more open discourse” if you’ve spent any appreciable amount of time in the countries being discussed. You can literally just walk + talk in public and see the difference.
Like all these asserted freedoms it just magically happens better and free’er but you definitely can’t verify it because “media”. The open political discourse I see and hear in major EU/US cities pales in comparison to the uh… hidden… open discourse in T1/T2 Chinese cities? Definitely heard some first/second hand political discourse but it was never, ever, ever a public forum.
By all means, give me evidence to the contrary. Maybe I just keep catching China with a bad case of the Mondays. Have you been? Can you point to any discourse on domestic politics? Where is the asserted diversity of opinion on hotbed issues? Can you show me any strong opposition to the party line on a public stage?
I guess you’ve never been on weibo westoid
I have! Have you been on it in China? Have you contrasted the foreign feed to a citizen’s? Have you seen the coordinated response to genuine spreading political discontent vs mundane petty scandals? Because it kinda sounds like you haven’t if you think that’s a killer response.
I have! And I have my Chinese friends feed too. Inside and outside of china. There’s definitely differences, but that’s how algorithms work
Have you seen the coordinated response to genuine spreading political disconten
Yes i have seen it. They solve things pretty fast e.g. COVID lockdowns when minor protests broke out, petit bourgeois real estate protests, etc. doesn’t look like you pay attention to things like that
At least Americans can discuss theirs openly.
Lol have you seen what’s been happening to pro Palestine protestors? BLM protestors? Anti Trump protestors? Julian Assange? Edward Snowden?
Those against the Iraq war, or Vietnam war…
Chinese average citizens can freely discuss what they want, the “disappearing” is just western propa
I’ve spent some time in Shanghai and that was not my experience there.
Cool story
K
Clearly your experiences didn’t involve a whole lot of being disappeared, you’re still here
My cat’s breath smells like cat food.
Really? So Chinese citizens can go out and publish an article about why they believe Xi Jinping is actually betraying socialist ideals?
So do Chinese citizens, though. The state exerts control over private media and the speech of wealthy capitalists, but there’s broad diversity in political thought and discussion.
Really? So Chinese citizens can go out and publish an article about why they believe Xi Jinping is actually betraying socialist ideals?
Some have. They’d be wrong, so it’s not super common, but it’s possible, assuming they aren’t a wealthy capitalist or something.
We have a few Chinese folks in the revolupedia discord so they definitely exist. We’re pretty aggressively against modern China.
From what I’ve seen on Chinese social media, you have two kinda minds. The folks who want a return to maoism, and the folks that are more liberal minded. That’s extremely reductive but that seems to be a sentiment repeated frequently by Chinese people so it’s likely got some truth to it.
I don’t uphold China, but I do think ~95% of what people have said in defense of China on this post is true. There’s lot of propaganda that paints China as monstrously worse than it is.
Chinese too, and openly in the US currently not so much. People in China are heavy controlled by the Gov, but they have more civil rights and services as citizen in the US
Complete list of banned books in the US. (Autoscroll enabled, due to the hugh amount of those, stop/start with mouseclick)
https://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/a45012950/banned-book-list/
US Freedom and Human rights only exist in Fox News.
People in China are heavy controlled by the Gov, but they have more civil rights
You guys are completely brainwashed if you believe this. They can’t even form a union or strike.
It always amazes me how gringos can just say the dumbest, fakest shit with such confidence then call you brainwashed.
If the State Department said Chinese people can’t play guitar you’d call us brainwashed if we showed you a video of one of them playing.
Crazy how you can literally just look this stuff up and find out what’s true instead of discarding arguments.
Independent trade unions are illegal in China. The single, state sanctioned trade union is widely criticized by international trade union orgs for not faithfully representing its workers. By most accounts it exists to funnel labor disputes through a bureaucratic meat grinder of mediation to maintain the status quo. With the exception of a handful of actions for international leverage, all strikes are wildcat.
If you’re actually interested in labor relations in China I’d recommend this article for starters. It’s older but the situation hasn’t improved under recent leadership.
Complete list of banned books in the US
Lmao what? Do you know what “banning” a book means? It’s just not on offer in schools or a library for that specific state. It’s completely normal to just buy it for yourself and there are even organizations dedicated to distributing banned books.
It’s hilarious to try and dunk on America with this of all things. Media restricted/censored in China is entirely unavailable. It’s actually very interesting how the censorship manifests in daily life, but I imagine any .ml reader will discard those anecdotes (or any verifiable reports) and try to redirect back to the West somehow.
You’re free to discuss anything you want as long as it doesn’t actually threaten the status quo in any way lol
Sometimes. For now.
Freedom with the most people in prison
They’re not always in prison, sometimes we let them do their forced labor outside.
Agreed, the US prison system is legalized form of slavery
