This place has roughly 3,000 people and was intended to be an entire replacement for DaystromInstitute and StarTrek as they were going dark indefinitely. Well, within 4 days the moderators have walked back those statements and opened both subreddits up. I see no incentive for people to come to this website now and while a few may come here in the future, most people will go to r/startrek with 600,000 people.
The only way I’d go back to reddit at all is if they entirely walk back their new API rules and if Spez steps down.
Nobody Goes There Anymore, It’s Too Crowded
Given the option between hanging out with 3,000 Trekkies who are willing to plunge headfirst into a strange new ecosystem and 600,000 Trekkies who find making an account to be an onerous process, I’ll take the former, thanks
The irony of being a Trekkie but fearing strange new worlds.
You’d think they’d all be excited to join this new federation
Cut 'em some slack, they’re probably just big fans of that famous Trekkie catchphrase “diversity, who needs it? one combination is enough for me!”
I mean it’s right there in the intro monologue: “to timidly stay where everyone has already been”
Limited diversity in limited combinations.
Turns out they were really into Star Trek for the Ferengi.
You’d be shocked at the amount of Star Trek fans who don’t “get it.”
It’s analogous to the gamers who complain about The Last of Us being “too political” while listing, like, BioShock as their favorite game.
“Starfleet was founded to seek out new life – well, there it sits, waiting!”
I agree with this, I didn’t really notice it that much on Reddit, but since coming to Lemmy I notice how pleasant it is to have time to actually engage with content before a thousand new posts are churned to the top.
I for one am here to boldly go away from Reddit.
@dbeardius @zabraven @GuyFleegman
Welcome to the jungle
Honestly, coming over to Lemmy and the communities all being smaller has been a nice breather to how much noise there is on Reddit these days.
As a former mod at /r/StarTrek, let me tell you there is so much more noise than the average user even saw.
The difficulty of entry to fediverse will be the difference between being a reddit replacement and being a separate much smaller community. I don’t fault a non tech minded person for not putting in the effort to learn a new service that they have no attachment to.
I’ve been a member of reddit for 17 years and it took almost a decade before it became popular with the masses. People weren’t attracted to the format, didn’t fully understand how reddit worked, or were unaware of it’s existence for a long time, and as such reddit was more popular with the technically minded. I see the same thing here. I fully admit, I am completely lost here, and in fact, this is my first post. So it needs development, for sure, but I do believe that decentralised social networking is going to be the future … we are coming in on the ground floor. It’s just gonna take a long time before the fediverse is even seen by the vast majority, let alone accessible and understood.
"I see no incentive for people to come to this website now " Well, you are free from any more corporate BS here and back on Reddit you are in the same precarious situation that you were in before. If you go back, you will have to compromise.
I’m totally out of my element as far as this community goes and wondered in here from sorting by all, but I won’t be going back to reddit for the reasons you said and then some.
It seems to me enough of the core/healthy users and mods have had enough that the site is going to devolve into a cesspool of hate, bots/spam, circlejerks, and more hate.
It’s the core subreddit members who drive significant portions of content that are leaving. It’s the users who actually go out of their way to report off-topic/rule-breaking content. The ones who always check for/report dropship scammers. These are the users getting fed up and leaving.
It’s the unhealthy users who are going to stay. The kind of mindless drones who upvote content regardless of whether it’s in the appropriate thread. I’ve witnessed an alarming trend over the years of anti-intellectualism and hypersensitivity mixed with aggression spreading on reddit. The site is already going down the drain.
Now the mods are about to lose most of their tools (from 3rd party apps of course!) and are being removed by the reddit admin to reopen subs. Many mods are maliciously noncomplying. Some talk about just not moderating their comunities at all anymore. When the mods leave in droves (which is already happening) is when we’ll start to see reddit deteriorate more.
Reddit itself isn’t going anywhere, and neither is most of their userbase. But their quality is going to plummet. Regardless, I’m happier here even if our communities are smaller for a while. That will just make them more close-knit.
One of the things that made the jump easy for me was that Reddit’s kind of already devolved to that state. I’ve started to notice that most of Reddit’s content is automatically generated. Bots even synergize to the point where one bot will repost an old top post while other bots repost the top comments from the old post. Lately I’ve been seeing weirdly generic and hollow comments that just look like they came from a pool of sentences, or like they were generated by Chat-GPT. And Reddit has long encouraged this trend such as by admitting they approve of free karma subreddits, solely because they make it easier for new users to circumvent spam filters. I don’t think they care about quality as long as bots are increasing the total user count. It’s a localized example of the dead internet theory.
Even if spez was ousted, all these API changes rolled back, and Reddit never made another decision based on corporate greed, I still just don’t really care for what Reddit’s become. These changes are the simple manifestations of what Reddit’s been aiming to do for years, and I don’t see any reason to stay and hope things get better when they’re already so bad and get invariably worse.
I’ve been enjoying this site for the past 4 days. Only time will tell.
I can’t believe the negativity coming from the /r/startrek community regarding the blackout and the idea of switching to Lemmy. Forging a new brighter future free of corporate control should fit into the Star Trek ideals of every fan.
I also find that very strange. If you look at the upvote/downvote ratio on the original threads announcing the subs would be going dark, it seems like most are/were in favour. But probably the ones who are still commenting the most were against it because they are still there? Idk. Anyway, I prefer our c/startrek over r/startrek – especially atm.
I’m here, and as long as this community keeps going, I think I probably will remain. Especially since my login is through a community that I am trying to actively participate in growth of.
Yeah, a rapid uptick and downtick makes sense. This platform takes some learning. As long as we post content and make this interesting people will stay and grow.
It’s going about as expected. Mastodon experienced many waves of new users coming in. A lot of them don’t stay, but at lot do. I expect the same thing to happen here.
Well I’m not going back to reddit even if this place fizzles out. Reddit has become way too corporate
I cannot speak to the internal decisions of /r/StarTrek, but I can speak to /r/DaystromInstitute’s decisions.
As of yesterday, noncompliant moderation teams are under threat from /u/Spez and his lackeys. We reached the decision to reopen, in a limited capacity, to prevent the community from facing a hostile takeover by those who do not properly appreciate its use or its value, and to hopefully funnel traffic here, and we intend that soon those will be the only purposes of the subreddit. In coordinating this move I trust my collagues on the other subs to act in the best interests of the community first, this instance second, and the profiteering bastards last.
Man, what a shit situation for the mods. Either open or you get removed and it opens anyway.
When r/startrek went dark, thought at the time to be forever, I came here. I wasn’t looking for a new reddit. I was looking for a new home to talk with other Star Trek fans. And, that is here. Now that r/startrek is back open, I’m still staying here. I like it here. I don’t see a need for an us versus them showdown. How many r/startrek accounts there are isn’t important to me. How active is c/startrek is important to me. And, I think c/startrek is doing well. With more Star Trek fans finding their way here.
Do I think c/startrek is sustainable and will continue to grow? Yes. Because Star Trek fans tend to love interacting with other Star Trek fans, and with those new to Star Trek. I have my doubts about there being an all out rush back to r/startrek because the initial reason for leaving wasn’t a temporary oopsie, like a technical issue. It was, for me and likely others, because of Huffman’s actions and reactions. That was an eye-opener.
I think on some level many people know that they are just commodities to for profit social medias. The end goal is to gather valuable data, and concentrate eyes on certain spots to sell ads. Monetization. There’s a facade in place. I think problems arise when that facade is frayed and torn. For me, Reddit’s facade is shredded.
I like that here the main goal isn’t to target me with ads. And, I’m thoroughly enjoying the interactions here. Yes, there’s a lot to Lemmy I haven’t learned. Truth be told, I may never learn all or even most about it. However, it only took me a few minutes to figure out the most important things to me on c/startrek – how to read and make comments.
Reddit is gonna Reddit. LLAP, c/startrek.
It is incredibly refreshing to not be inundated with ads. Reddit absorbed all the web 1.0 communities one-by-one, then changed just slowly enough to boil the frog. The recent changes went overboard, rushing for the ipo. They showed their real hand. I won’t be going back.
But at the same time, I don’t begrudge anyone who wants to stay there. Hopefully, they’ll find their way here, but if not I wish them all the best.
I first joined r/startrek over 12 years ago when it was about 3000 subscribers. I had a lot of fun. Every post could be seen and not drowned out. No troll issues. Those early days were really nice.
Well I’m not going back to Reddit after everything they have pulled, I’m hoping other people also feel the same way.
Reddit is dying. Its goals as a growth-oriented corporation are inherently contrary to its original nature as a community center. I have to give them props for dragging it out as long as they have (and will). All the factors that made Reddit possible and desirable still exist; in fact, the ActivityPub federation protocol enables an even more powerful form of collaboration that transcends a lot of the negative aspects of Reddit’s design.
Give it time. Make content! Tell people about this wonderful new generation of media. Consider it an opportunity to engage with the glory days of a new form of internet media. Which it is.
Exactly, it’s going to be a long slow process. This will have slow bursts like we’re seeing now as reddit makes their app shittier and shittier, but we’re never going to see an exodus like Digg again, Reddit is 100s of times bigger now.
It’s going to look like Facebook, where over time people leave as they realize they don’t need it anymore, and eventually all that will be left are stubborn people, the people in admin/mod positions that refuse to give up power, our moms, the people who think Minions memes are funny, and the thousands and thousands of bots talking to each other about how great lysol cleaners are.
Honestly the only people that will remain there are, as you said, either very stubborn, or too young to give a damn. There’s a community that I was a part of for a long time that I loved deeply, it was a very warm and inviting place. When the sub went on blackout and took a poll to extend indefinitely, I made a passionate plea to the sub to really consider what’s at stake, even though so many of them felt like it was pointless. I wasn’t rude, I wasn’t callous or pessimistic, I just wanted people to know that whether something seems hopeless or not isn’t the point at all, but rather taking a stand for something you believe in should be the point.
I was promptly met with a barrage of downvotes and someone replying to me spewing vitriol and telling me to touch grass, with another person just shrugging and saying they just want things to go back to the way they were (by ending the blackout). It’s weird but I was honestly pretty hurt by that response. This community that I came to know and love turned on me the moment I suggested we take a stand.
There really is no persuading people like that unfortunately. But, hopefully, slowly, change will still happen.
I had the exact same response from my favorite sub too, was honestly pretty hurt by it. Then the mods removed it after enough downvotes.
Like guys I love this community, at least I thought I did, I just want to see it continue without being held hostage by Reddit. Same thing, I didn’t get angry, didn’t push people to switch over, was more like “Hey we have a community over here, if anyone feels like they need to leave Reddit, here we are”, like “here’s a safe landing spot for you”. I’d never seen my favorite community, where I had tens of thousands of karma from, get so angry.
Yeah for me I made the transition today feeling the same way as you. It sucks that just because mods try to go on strike, on behalf of everyone really, the users try to help reddit instead.
For me I’m making the change after being sure I won’t regret/miss too much the content on reddit. I might still go back sometimes for a google search (appending reddit), but for the most part, I’m not using it as a platform I browse.
Even if this fediverse stuff doesn’t pan out, I’m happy to tread these waters and see if it’ll be our future solution to avoiding these greed induced social media self destructions.
Today was the first day I just felt so sickened by how reddit just wouldn’t budge, no matter how disatisfied its users are. I just didn’t even feel good about using the site anymore, even if I love the content/lazy content there
Strikes almost always get people lashing out against them, and in favour of the Evil Empire. People just love being crabs in a bucket, dragging each other down, ensuring that nothing gets better, all because they don’t want to think long term about things.
All they see is that someone is trying to restrict what they can do right now. The reasons, or the long term consequences, be dammed.
Just have to be committed. Also remember that it’s not just your site, it’s all of lemmy that can participate.
There will likely be another influx when 3rd party apps die, and further trickling in if more and more moderators hang up the towel and reddit becomes more unmanageable with spam. It is difficult to migrate a whole community at once but I’m sure it will happen slowly, as more people become used to the concept of federation (you would think r/startrek would understand this “federation” though).
