These people want to show, so hard, that they care but in the end they don’t realize they are practically pushing for segregation.
These people are racists. That’s it.
plus imagining thinking that, as a white person, you have the ability to decide who gets to celebrate what, while speaking over Asian people. like that was a bigotry 360°; you went right around to being racist again lmao
This is what happens most of the time when people scream cultural appropriation. The problem is that people without understanding of the terms use the terms every day. This leads to scenarios like the one above, or where someone is getting offended you’re enjoying a cultural food, or listening to a specific kind of music. Appreciating other cultures isn’t appropriation.
Exactly, appropriating means to take and pretend you invented it or created it. Interacting with culture or enjoying other people’s culture isn’t harmful and if these people actually went to other countries they’d realize their people WANT to share their culture.
Yeah I agree that there is a TAKE vs a SHARE.
Some of the reason cultural appropriation is a bad thing is due to capitalism. Taking something, even symbolically, for profit, is different than learning, experiencing and sharing.
これは本当すぎる
(I’m white btw 😱😱😱)
That’s why people who do understand the terms need to call the people who don’t out at every opportunity, but they won’t do that because of “solidarity.”
I remember someone giving a huge speech on…tumblr probably it sounds like something that would come from that shithole…that white people learning Spanish was cultural appropriation.
That’s why I laugh at anyone who unironically says “Cultural Appropiation”
I wonder if they realize that if cultures didn’t borrow from other cultures we wouldn’t have anime or instant ramen.
Or colleges, paper, math, the entire judicial system, and fireworks.
Hundred. Percent. It’s astounding, I am astounded at the number of messages I have received as a result of this post exactly mirroring the less desired sentiment you’ve described.
But it’s cool, they can go f*** themselves, there’s like 2 billion people wholesomely celebrating this holiday in defiance of bigotry, so it’s not a real problem.
“friendly reminder that if you’re white, you’d better be uptight to the point of constipation at all times, except for moments of stress-induced diarrhea”
Hati Hróðvitnisson says shut the fuck up.
Wat? This is so stupid it actually causes me physical pain. That’s like telling anyone who’s not a Christian they can’t celebrate Christmas. 🙄
I think this should be reinforced. If your name isn’t Christian then you can’t celebrate Christmas :(
I think if your name is Jesus you get to celebrate it
Or anyone who is, considering it’s not a Christian holiday by origin
I feel like her reply is just as likely to be to call him a race traitor or whatever. It’s hard to reason with people who gatekeep that hard
Gatekeeping is a special form of being special
Especially when you also don’t belong to said group.
My Culture is not your prom dress 2: electric boogaloo.
As a chinese, you’re welcome to do so. It’s Lunar new year, there’s nothing special or specific about it. Pop a beer, play firework, or whatever. Make up your culture for celebrate the new year, that’s how culture is born! There’s not even a standard for it in China, different region have different way to celebrate. And each household even have their own way to celebrate! How is any of this gatekeeping make sense i don’t know.
It’s so sad to see a melting pot now call for separation.
For you I had a cigar and sipped some bourbon. In great hopes of a fine new year for us both!
this is the way
I’ve got some coffee and a joint… how am I doing?
It’s not sad, and it isn’t a melting pot calling for separation.
It’s some dumb a****** who was corrected by some a****** with a broadened perspective.
We’re on the Internet, it’s ok to swear.
Haha thanks, My speech to text automatically blocks f*** words, which I think is super funny.
So I keep letting it happen
aardvark isn’t a swear
It’s so much worse
Woke, then SMACK! back down to sleep.
Literally what?
Racism from the left is just so unexpected, but here we are
Assumptions made about people instead of information coming from the people they are talking about
Whrn I was on reddit I saw this alot on reddit with foreign companies and was reading a thread where someone asked if people in Japan where racist
It was filled with people saying yes but something about the thread felt ungeniune so I went on the japanlife subreddit about this topic and they haven’t experienced racism and that most of it is misunderstandings and not understanding the people
I also went to watch those videos on YouTube where people from Japan interview Japanese people and most Japanese people where not racist and it was only the rare occasional one that was but they where older people and they where in the single digits range so japan just has a few racist people like every other country and most people are open
Its typically the younger generations that are more open and I tend to see that it’s the younger generations that are open in every country so I think we are just waiting for the old bigots to turn over and die
It’s best just to get information about a people from the people itself instead of looking at random people’s opinions online
Overprotectiveness. It’s irritating and misguided, but it isn’t bigotry.
It’s also big on assumptions to
A problem society has is often making assumptions about something rather than getting information from a direct source for example getting information from the actual people they are making assumptions about instead of making assumptions about them
It is. I’ll elaborate. The neonazis in France, Germany, Hungary, and other places with a growing nazi problem are calling for ethnostates. One country per ethnicity. No cultural exchange, no learning from other cultures, no exchange and most of all absolutely no exchange of people.
Now if you take the idiotic idea of “cultural appropriation” to its natural conclusion, you arrive at very nearly the same idea. Hermetically closed cultures separate from each other, no exchange. Everyone only gets to enjoy the culture they happen to be born in.
This is why it is racist. Because the separation of peoples and cultures is a racist idea.
Humanity absolutely thrives when cultures mix. The whole is so much more than the sum of its parts. Racism and bigotry cease to exist the more cultures and peoples mix. And I mean mix, not live separate lives that just happen to be in the same geographic location, just to be clear.
Now if you take the idiotic idea of “cultural appropriation” to
its natural conclusiona ridiculous extreme, you arrive at very nearly the same ideaFixed that for you.
Opposition to cultural insensitivity and reducing cultures to exploitable stereotypes ≠ advocating for segregation and only idiots and people arguing in bad faith would ever claim anything of the sort.
My take here is that people eager to get angry at something without a proper academic background shouldn’t use academic terms such as cultural appropriation, because the popular understanding of the term is definitely what @crispy_kilt@feddit.de is referring to, and has led the first person at the OP to take an absurdly oversensitive position.
There was this white singer that got uninvited by fff here in Germany because she wore dreadlocks. Cant have that when you are white it seems. No logical reason necessary, too. Can just brand it “cultural appropriation” and you’re good. Oh shit, there is prove that greeks or wikings had dreadlocks? Nae, just gonna ignore that cause it doesnt fit my stereotypical views of the world.
The argument might seem overstreched, but shit like this happens.
and yet Carola Rackete was a welcomed visitor of fff. i didn’t understand the reasoning behind the singer thing.
There is none, it’s all signal politics, shibboleth juggling. The same people also unironically use the term “BIPOC” in a German context without realising that it means Black and say Vietnamese Germans, includes organic potatoes, but excludes e.g. Turkish or Italian-Germans as they’re neither black, indigenous, or “of colour”.
They simply heard that term online used by their ingroup and now parrot it to signal that they’re part of that ingroup.
I mean, is it cultural insensitivity or exploiting stereotypes for a white teenager to wear a kimono? Because one got sent home for doing so around here because it was “cultural appropriation and inappropriate”…
In the end the people who see cultural appropriation everywhere might not be advocating for each culture to have their own country (they’ll never tell anyone to move back to their country), but what they’re advocating for is for each cultures to live in the same place and to not exchange anything…
Yeah, I’m going to need a source on that incident… I bet there was a lot more to it than just “wearing a kimono”.
Even if there wasn’t, one example of overzealousness doesn’t mean that the entire concept of cultural appropriation is invalid. That’s not how anything works.
the people who see cultural appropriation everywhere
Are these people in the room right now? Or do you only imagine them when you’re actively making fallacious arguments to support your ridiculous claims that cultural sensitivity is the same thing as demanding segregation?
She really did “just wear a kimono”:
https://www.glamour.com/story/qipao-prom-dress-controversy-response
It literally says in the very headline that it’s a lot more complicated than you think and that’s your “slam dunk” example? 🤦
Also, wasn’t even a kimono, which is revealed in the very first paragraph of the article itself.
If you’re going to deliberately lie and distort to fit reality around your claims, at least make a fucking effort!
“humanity absolutely thrives when cultures mix”.
Yea, this part is correct.
The rest, not so much.
I’m interested in your opinion. Do you care to elaborate?
Oh fuck, how dare you ask someone on here to actually give reason, facts or prove of anything they make up in their heads! Here, take my downvotes, there is no need to argue if I can just ramble and feel superior to you that way!
/s , obvioisly.
Sorry for the delay, I am actually right in the middle of celebrating the lunar New Year!
I do agree with what you’re trying to say, but I don’t think you’re going about it in the right way, and I have enough time to complain(sorry, your heart’s on the right place).
Your comment has two main problems, 1) hat on a hat and 2) unsubstantiated equivocation
- The rebuttal within the meme is funny, welcoming and correct by the standards of the drip making the first irritating comment and the progressive audience who agrees(with you) that sharing is caring.
Agreeing with the sentiment is fine, but you go out of your way to re-explain their perfect rebuttal in a less accurate and more pedantic way.
- “humanity absolutely thrives when cultures mix” is a positive and accurate comment within context, while the remainder of your comment and its reasoning is beyond shaky and certainly unhelpful.
You’re making unsubstantiated assumptions on the “natural conclusion” of well-intentioned, though misguided protectiveness.
You maintain, without proof or sound logical argument, that the natural conclusion of protecting the cultural practices of others is the intentional separation of all ethnicities, and the implied sterilization of “lesser” ethnicities.
I don’t mind the sentiment of your argument so much as the inaccurate and harmful logical process that equivocates irritating do-gooders with murderous bigots.
I’m not OP but I would say one difference is the fact that they don’t mind that people of different ethnicity live in the same country, but they don’t want them to mix what’s part of their culture… Or if we’re honest, in most cases they want the majority to not adopt things that are associated to other cultures because they assume that it’s done with bad intentions or that’s it’s a form of theft, but I’m sure they wouldn’t say a thing if a minority did the same…
So they’re in favor of a world where whites are exposed to everyone else (contrary to the right) but don’t mix up with them, not as a way to keep them “pure” (contrary to the right), but as a way to stop them from “stealing” from other cultures what makes them unique…
Either way, it’s stupid 🤷
but as a way to stop them from “stealing” from other cultures
It’s not possible to steal culture, this is ridiculous
You wouldn’t download a culture…
Hence the quotation marks, telling someone they’re doing cultural appropriation is basically accusing them of stealing something that’s unique to another culture and that can’t be replicated by someone who isn’t part of it.
That ratio lol
I’m gonna celebrate like there’s no tomorrow. What can you do?
Self-identification is such a bizzare polarized issue. On one side, you have sexual self-identification being embraced by the same people who bemoan cultural self-identification. I don’t understand this cognitive dissonance. Alas.
you have sexual self-identification being embraced by the same people who bemoan cultural self-identification
citation needed
You probably don’t understand it because those aren’t the same people.
Cultural appropriation hater VS Cultural sharing enjoyer
I’m Jewish. I invite you all to celebrate any Jewish holiday. But they’re all stupid religious bullshit other than the food part, so I wouldn’t bother.
Hamantaschen are amazing and I’ll make them year round, no one can stop me!
I also make the donuts for Hanukkah for my mother
At least we’re out of the years where we were making like a gross of them. That was exhausting.
Every year my mother buys jelly donuts for us when we come to visit for Hanukkah and every year, we all tell her that we don’t like jelly donuts.
At least she doesn’t try to cook them. She’s an awful cook. And she doesn’t understand food. She makes latkes in the oven (not fried) the day before we come, freezes them, then defrosts them when we come over. And we eat two and pretend we like them and cover them with enough sour cream so that we can’t taste them.
We used to go home and make our own another day, but they’re also kind of a pain in the ass to make, so we just deal with shitty latkes once a year now.
Her matzoh ball soup is fine, but it’s very hard to fuck that up.
That’s fucking adorable though. Getting old is weird.
Oh, the homemade donuts, all 122 of them were well received! As well as the hamantaschen. But when you’re making a gross of them, it just takes a long time.
I like latkes, but it was one of them few holiday cooking things that I did not get pushed into doing as a kid (and now several decades later still do for the family)
Challah, hamantaschen, donuts…mostly all the dessert things, I guess. And the charoset! There’s more, but I forget until I get the call and start baking for her.
I’m good with most Jewish food, but I draw the line at gefilte fish. I don’t know who decided ground up fish balls in soup was a good idea, but it wasn’t.
The food is the best part of any holiday, to be fair.
I agree. Unfortunately, with Jewish holidays, you have to sit through what feels like about 10 hours of prayers in Hebrew before you get to the food.
Which especially sucks when you’re a hungry kid who doesn’t understand Hebrew.
I dated a girl who is Jewish many years ago. Her parents would just throw dishes at each other while arguing in Hebrew. To hear you say that it can’t be entertaining slightly offends me.
Hebrew or Yiddish? If she wasn’t Israeli, it was probably Yiddish. Yiddish is also better for yelling people in. My grandmother was very good at it. It’s like if German had a bastard child with Polish.
Oh maybe that’s what it was. On a related note the girl I dated has a sister that was a substitute teacher at our high school at the time. She was 21 and would buy us booze and she also played strip poker with my friends and me. Took my buddy’s virginity. Fun times!
where does ladino fit into this?
Not very much. There are very few Ladino speakers alive today. Like exponentially fewer than Yiddish, which already doesn’t have very many speakers left.
Ladino is very close to Medieval Spanish, but written using Hebrew letters.
Yep. Half my family is Jewish, half is Catholic. My dad (Jewish atheist) made me sit through a really long seder once and afterward said he forgot how boring they are. And also didn’t warn me about the bitter herbs lol. Next time we went to a seder it was wayyy more streamlined.
You can use parsley as ‘bitter herbs,’ which is what we did. Not the most pleasant thing to eat, but not exactly unpalatable. I’ve heard of some people using celery. That feels like cheating.
Celery leaves specifically would probably be what they meant. You can actually use them as a substitute for parsley in cooking!
I think that may be what the idea was, but they definitely meant just regular celery because the conversation, which had happened a couple of times with guests when I was a kid, was along the lines of “why are you using parsley? Celery is so much nicer!”
If fish isn’t meat to the Catholics then why shouldn’t celery be a bitter herb
Beaver, armadillo, alligator and capybara are all also fish according to the Catholic church.
So yeah, Jews definitely don’t have the monopoly on this stuff.
I have the best Jewish friends. They’re not strict Jewish, they adapt a lot of the traditions to suit themselves. For example any of the food heavy holiday’s they invite their non-Jewish friends over but do most of the religious stuff before we show up. So for me, I get to visit with friends, eat pretty good food (I’ve learned what to avoid like the unleavened bread), and help them celebrate something that’s important to them. They make no expectation for us to actually participate, just respect that they are. It’s a good time.
I feel for their kids though, they have to do the 10 hour thing.
Damn, lucky you not having to sit through the boring shit. Because yeah, the food is great!
Judaism is a closed religion, lighting candles for Hanukkah is one thing and that’s cool if you want to partake in some fun. Saying prayers over those candles is markedly different and definitely appropriation.
I wouldn’t call it appropriation. Appropriation would be claiming those weren’t Jewish prayers or a menorah, they were Christian (or whatever).
A non-Jew saying Hebrew prayers doesn’t offend me. My non-Jewish wife has done it before because she got a masters in folklore and wanted to take part. She didn’t claim it as her own, she just took part in the ceremony. And plenty of non-Jewish spouses of Jews have done the same thing.
Honestly, if you’re curious and you want to take part in Jewish ceremonies, go for it. Judaism is not as closed as you think. If it was, you wouldn’t have famous converts like Sammy Davis, Jr. and Isla Fisher (and Ivanka Trump, unfortunately). It’s not a simple process like turning around three times and saying “I’m a Jew!” but it’s not exactly a ridiculous challenge either.
A non Jew saying Jewish prayers is absolutely appropriation. There’s a rather clear line of thinking surrounding this in the greater Jewish community especially amongst the rabbinical crowd, and the Messianics are a rather large part of it.
Rabbis aren’t popes. They don’t get to decide what is or is not offensive to Jews in general. Sure, very religious Jews might have a problem with it. And I could not care less what they think. Especially when they’re the minority in the U.S.
62% of self-described American Jews say being Jewish is mainly a matter of ancestry and culture, while just 15% say it is mainly a matter of religion. Even among Jews by religion, 55% say being Jewish is mainly a matter of ancestry and culture, while 66% say it is not necessary to believe in God to be Jewish.[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_atheism
Do you honestly think most Jews would have a big problem with my wife saying a blessing over the menorah when most of them don’t even think you have to believe in a god? I guarantee you more Jews were offended by Bradley Cooper playing Leonard Bernstein with a prosthetic nose than they would be over a non-Jew saying a Hebrew prayer.
Rabbi’s aren’t Pope’s and they’re born to argue so when the vast majority of them clearly state that a non Jew saying Jewish prayers is contrary to the principles of the religion then I’m going to accept that as a religious decree.
So yea your non jewish wife saying the bracha is a problem. You’re welcome to practice as you see fit, no one’s going to pull your Jew card over it but that doesn’t make it halacha/Kosher/ cool or any other version of acceptable.
Why do Rabbis get to declare what is cultural appropriation when only 15% of American Jews say Judaism is about religion?
It sounds like you are offended by it. I would love some evidence that the general Jewish population agrees with you.
Why do the people who devote their lives to studying the scriptures of the religion get to be the ones who decide what’s acceptable within the religion and what’s not?
Because they’re literally the subject matter experts. It’s also pretty damn clear in the tanach too. In order to perform the mitzvah you need to be Jewish.
I’m not offended by how you choose to practice your religion, I’m pointing out that what you’re doing is absolutely cultural appropriation and off sides with the understood practice of the religion as a whole. You’re the one who seems to be offended by being called out on this, and that’s for you to come to grips with not me.
Food holidays are my favorite holidays, and also because of Jon Stewart, I irrationally appreciate the abundance of Jewish holidays.
Which Jewish holidays should I celebrate?
Well the problem is that Passover has the best food, but it’s also celebrating a genocide, so I don’t really have a good recommendation.
Purim maybe? It’s mildly less stupid than the others since it’s actually based on something that really happened? But it’s still based on an arranged marriage, so even that’s kind of fucked up. I don’t know. The Bible is ridiculous.
Dang, yea, the Bible is a terrible mess.
Yeah, but… the food part.
Eh, you can have charoset any day of the year if you feel like it.
hi fellow Jew pls celebrate the holidays with me
Our white versions don’t involve the food :(
There’s plenty of Jewish food cookbooks out there! I’m personally a big fan of kugel.
Christ that looks good.
It’s also so easy to make that even my mother can’t fuck it up. Which, if you ever had my mother’s attempts at cooking, is very impressive.
Lmao. Does her cooking make you nostalgic?
My mom regrets that she didn’t learn all of her mother’s cajun recipes. I regret it, too.
It does not. She’s a much better cook than when I was a kid while still being a terrible cook. But at least her idea of offering me dinner is no longer a defrosted turkey burger every night.
There were also the dreaded dinnertime words of my childhood: “This was an experiment.”
Because the “experiment” was usually something like, “the recipe called for two cups of sugar and that’s too much sugar, so I substituted cottage cheese.”
That sounds horrendous. Kind of adorable, though.
My (fairly religious) aunt introduced me to latkes when I was a kid and it became a lifelong love affair.
I love a good latke, but a bad latke is a very sad thing indeed.
She was (is) a great cook, they were always light and fluffy. Usually we’d have them with applesauce but sometimes she’d make them with a lot of onion and we’d eat them with ketchup.
Ew. I don’t know about ketchup. We always have sour cream.
I love my aunt and have very fond memories of oniony, ketchupy latkes but I don’t eat ketchup with my potatos anymore lol.
In my defense, I was a child. I’m not even sure where she came across them, we’re not Jewish (we were Baptists, from the midwest).
She also makes an onion pie that’s pretty great.
Not every “lunar new year” is on the same day in every country; there are different lunar calendars.
The Chinese New Year is not the Buddhist New Year is not the Islamic New Year, yet we’re smashing them all together.
This is cultural insensitivity.
No it isn’t?
China, Korea, Vietnam, Malaysia, lots of countries use lunar calendars that arrive on the same date.
Calling it the lunar New Year is not a cultural sensitivity, it’s simple accuracy.
Even countries that use the same calendar don’t call it the same thing!
Korea and Vietnam each have their own Korean and Vietnamese New Years, but Malaysia literally calls it Tahun Baru Cina (I’ll give you three guesses what Cina means). In fact, several countries call it something like that: Singapore and the Philippines calls it the Chinese New Year, Brunei calls it Tahun Baru Cina, etc. Meanwhile, China doesn’t even call it a lunar new year, they call it the spring festival.
Lumping them all together is just something we’re doing to make it easier for Americans.
Korea, Malaysia, and Singapore don’t call it the same name because they speak different languages, but they do not all call it Chinese New Year in real life, no matter what your Google Fu says.
I’m speaking to this from China right now, saying Happy New Year every 10 minutes. China is one of the countries with a literal lunar calendar.
Lunar New Year is perfectly accurate, and more accurate than “Chinese New Year”.
My Korean is terrible, but when I was there they all said sollal, the local name of the lunar New Year holiday.
Vietnam was easier because the lunar New Year is called the pronounceable “tet.”
Malaysia, Singapore, they have local names for the lunar New Year that don’t include the word China.
You’re really hunting for these “Chinese New Year” names that are in practice uncommon or disused.
You can call it that if you want to, but you’ll just be that old grandma in the meme with the hospice worker assuring you that everything is fine and she can escort you back to 4chan.
In fact, please go to any of the countries you’ve mentioned, or Singapore or the Philippines and tell them that you’re celebrating Chinese New Year and report back their response.
Especially the Philippines, they don’t brook no s*** hahaha.
The “tahun baru cina” thing used in Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia and Brunei isn’t uncommon or disused btw. It’s the term used by the native Malay population because Malay is the official language in those countries. A term not used by the cultures celebrating this lunar new year.
I have not heard that term during the lunar New Year, and I’ve heard people say Happy New Year in Malaysia hundreds of times.
If you’re a native Malay, I will take your word for it that your particular village(which village are you from ?) is peculiar, since that is not the common national phrase.
You don’t sound like a native malay.
You have way too many native English joinders to be a Malay.
Are you searching Google for any international phrase that connects to China so that you’re not completely wrong about this, even though you were completely wrong about this?
