Nvidia spends the past few years aggressively refusing to cooperate with wayland because corporate brain worms and somehow it’s wayland’s fault.
Been using it for half an year now, either the issues are insignificant or I do not observ them cause it’s not bothering me!
What’s your hardware and distro ? I have an Nvidia card and am considering a switch next year
Hardware Ryzen 7 5800x with RX 6800xt 32gb ram as for distro Arch Wayland KDE.
But that’s an AMD card
That the point Nvidia drivers are not grate on Linux I got AMD card specifically for this reason! Had an GTX 1070 before and I had quite a lot of issues with drivers now I have none!
Thanks for clarifying
Stop using NVIDIA on linux. They don’t respect our ecosystem so we should not be respecting them with our patronage.
“just buy a whole new gpu 4head” best takes only here
They’re quite cheap nowadays, amirite?
Linux desktop works fine as long as you have 10 years experience, buy all new hardware, and dig deep on sketchy looking forums to download random drivers to work!
I’ve been pleased with my Arc performance.
Just waste money on an AMD card so you can brag about how it’s 3% faster than Windows AMD cards!
Meanwhile Nvidia is 10-20% faster on slow dum dum winblows. Peak Linux zealotry.
I don’t have a choice, I do GPU rendering
And they work amazing, even better than in Windows
That’s good to know
Welp, that was a plot twist. But, I use a Ryzen 3600 with a GTX 1660, nvidia-open driver on arch, wayland tested with gnome, kde and hyprland, had 0 issues as far as I can tell.
Ok 1 issue, but afaik this is wayland not wayland + nvidia - couldn’t get stanley parable to work.
Do you have it on Steam? It should work if you use the Windows version on proton instead of the native Linux version.
I refunded it already, none of the proton versions launched at all for some reason, the native version I got to launch but it was frozen. From what I found googling it was a wayland problem, but I was on hyprland at the time and I was not going to go through the hassle of getting an X session just to get a game running, so I just refunded it citing problems starting the game on linux.
I did not go through detailed troubleshooting, I am over trying to finnick and fiddle to get games to run, if your stuff does not work OOTB or reasonably close to it, you are not getting my money. Most games do, I will rather leave my cash and my time playing something that works than troubleshooting and getting something that doesnt to do so. That goes double for something that is supposed to run native on Linux.
Ok ! so you have a choice between two drivers with Nvidia ? do both support optix ?
I have not looked into Optix, couldn’t tell you.
Do you have systemd-initiald configured correctly? :-)
eurobeats intensify
Laughs in AMD
Cries in hardware raytracing
Smiles in not needing proprietary software tricks to force customers into buying increasingly expensive gpus
I use Blender, it’s GNU-GPL
What did you do before RT?
Another related job
Hopefully AMD can close the gap on RT performance in the future. I think I read they’re working on a cuda-like project.
They have put out HIP (which is even hardware agnostic) but the bottleneck is at the hardware level if I’m well informed
Yes me too, I dearly hope some competition comes on the field, either from AMD or Intel, because this Nvidia monopoly has not been good for us !
Yeah those fps and quality gains are just tricks of the eyes 🙄.
And I forgot AMD is just happily giving away those GPUs and not charging hundreds.
Oh boy! It’s the contrarian again! Leading the pack with downvotes on all his shitty takes!
AMD can do that though?
Not really no, there’s a factor of almost 4x in performance between the top cards (my use case specifically being GPU rendering in Blender using Optix or HIP)
I’ve been using Wayland for about a year on and off with Voidlinux on the framework 13. Everything’s pretty much worked from the start besides screen sharing which was a void specific issue that’s been patched
Can anybody who has actually used Nvidia with wayland in the last 6 months tell me what problems you have? As a recreational PC user I have noticed 0 issues with my setup:
- Ryzen 3600
- Nvidia GTX 1660
- Arch
- Nvidia-open driver
- Gnome / KDE / Hyprland (currently Gnome) running on wayland
I came from Windows 2-3 months ago, my daily usage has been more or less unaffected, especially when it comes to something I could pin to specifically nvidia + wayland.
All the above just makes it seem like nvidia + wayland bad is just a circlejerk.
RTX 2080 here, and this is the major blocker for me with Nvidia + Wayland: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/issues/1317
This issue causes XWayland apps to effectively render previous frames very sporadically, and it’s especially very noticeable in Electron apps. Discord for example, sometimes someone will send a message and the message will appear, then disappear, then reappear, then disappear over and over again until it finally syncs back up. The user isn’t actually deleting and resending their message of course, but the render state of the app is basically “jumping backwards through time”.
Tried out the 544 beta driver, and while we did get Night Light/Color support (and that incessant top-screen flicker bug was fixed, occurred in both Wayland and X11), I started to notice the aforementioned issue heavily occurring in IntelliJ which is a Java based development tool which unfortunately is the final deal breaker for me since I can’t really work when I write a line of code, and it disappears, reappears, disappears, then reappears again.
This only occurs via XWayland, and surprisingly games don’t seem to get hit with it (in my case) so I suppose if you only use Wayland native apps like a web browser then it’s fine - otherwise, it makes things very difficult. It also occurs on both Mutter (GNOME) and KWin (KDE) but I imagine there isn’t a compositor where this doesn’t happen due to what causes the actual problem in the first place.
After trying the 545 beta and the problem getting worse, it’s put the nail in the coffin for me on Nvidia and I’ll be picking up a 6700XT after my next paycheck comes in. It is a beta driver yes, but the root of the issue is due to the architecture of their driver which isn’t going to be magically redone in between the beta and “stable” release.
So, no - I wish it was just a circlejerk, and realistically I can’t see how it’d end up being this popular if it was just user error.
Fair point, I have probably experienced this as I had weird input issues on native linux discord, I switched to WebCord, which solved the issue. before I pinpointed the issue, so I had no clue it is specific to nvidia + wayland.
And yes, I specifically mentioned I use my PC recreationally to point out that my usecases are not too specific, so maybe I do not see the issues because of that.
I’m using it presently, and aside from a few quirks in electron app rendering (slack input box flickers sometimes; things like that), it’s been solid:
- Ryzen 9 3900X (24)
- GeForce RTX 4070 Ti
- Fedora 38
- Nvidia proprietary driver
- Hyprland (used Gnome before and it was fine)
I use it daily for work and some gaming (CP2077, BG3 of late) and it works well.
Before I’d updated the video card, I had a AMD 5700 xt and it mostly worked, but I was getting sporadic driver crashes (card would reset), which was annoying.
Yea, I had no clue that it is an Nvidia + Wayland issue, I had something similar in discord, i switched to webcord before pinpointing the issue and it solved it. More of a nuisance than a real problem in my case though.
I found proton to be unreliable. Never got hat in time to play correctly.
Sure, it is not a 100% everything runs solution, but it is probably 85%+, maybe even 90%+ works solution. To call it unreliable knowing the history of gaming on Linux is a little odd, maybe we just have different expectetions.
The level of certainty I can now have that a game will run on linux is so high that I am happy not wasting my time and money with games that wont.
I have tried switching to linux off and on since about original TBC or WotLK days, I always ended up switching back because things were too finicky, or I couldnt get most games to work. Now it just works for so many things that I am happy ditching things that don’t.
Oh sure, it’s just I found switching off of Wayland resolved most of my issues with proton.
Yes, 3060 and Wayland/gnome act funny after resuming the machine from sleep while connected to a second display.
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Some applications, e.g. Firefox will not update properly after a resume when screen config has been changed while asleep. That is, if I undock my laptop and then resume, Firefox won’t visibly scroll or change, but buttons invisibly move which I know because where the mouse cursor changes when hovering changes after playing with the scroll wheel. Only fix is killing Firefox and restarting. Maybe it’s a snap thing.
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On resume, wallpaper for gdm is painted on secondary monitor while laptop display stays dark, even though that’s where the login prompt etc is. A quick close/open of the laptop lid forces the main display to come back online.
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I’ve noticed some sleep issues. my solution was telling my computer to just turn off my monitors instead
I used KDE with Wayland briefly a few months ago. The right-click menu would look very glitchy. Items disappeared until hovered over, and then disappeared again when moving the mouse. Firefox also had some issue where it would only take half the screen.
Interesting, but I doubt this was an nvidia + wayland problem, or if it was, it had been since fixed. My first DE was KDE and I used the regular nvidia driver with it, for sure did not notice anything wrong with right click menus.
I’ve used multiple different distros before and after, all Xorg, and never encountered similar problems. There were bugzilla reports for the Firefox issue I had, all of them attributing it to Wayland.
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I’ve honestly had 0 issues with Wayland for the past few years of use. Multiple computers including one with an Nvidia graphics card
I love this thread.
Linux users constantly talk about how Linux just works and Windows is garbage, but then half these comments are talking about how you should buy an entirely different computer to make Linux run with FEWER issues.
Windows may have it’s problems, but I don’t need to buy an entirely new PC to make it work. AMD, Nvidia, Intel, doesn’t matter. It just works.
Well Linux just works. Unless if you buy hardware from a company that actively tries to fuck you in the ass for using Linux
What you’re basically saying, is like whining that Windows doesn’t run on a macbook
So Linux doesn’t “just work”. People in here with PC hardware and claiming they have issues. The “solution” is to buy different hardware.
Guess what? Both of those pieces of hardware just work on Windows.
Cope, though.
This thread is utterly braindead but nvidia users are not completely out of luck. Use the proprietary drivers with xserver instead of wayland and it works fine (speaking from personal experience). Xserver has it’s own issues and will probably be phased out in favour of wayland in the future but hopefully by then, it will be able to support nvidia better.
It doesn’t work much better on AMD unfortunately.
It works pretty great actually. Not sure why you’d say otherwise…
I have a 5700XT and Wayland is basically unusable.
What distro? Drivers?
