Hello World!

As we’ve all known and talked about quite a lot, we previously blocked several piracy-focused communities. These communities, as announced, were:

In our removal announcement, we stated that we will continue to look into this more in detail, and re-allow these communities if and when we deem it safe. It was a solid concern at the time, because we were already receiving takedown requests as well as constant attacks, and didn’t want to put our volunteer team at risk. We had zero measures in place, and the tools we had were insufficient to deal with anything at scale.

Well, after back and forth with some very cool people, and starting to have proper measures as well as tooling to protect ourselves, we decided it’s time to welcome these communities back again. Long live the IT nerds!

We know it’s been a rough ride with everything, and we’d like to thank every one of you who were understanding of us, and stayed with us all the way. Please know that as users, you are what makes this platform what it is, and damned we be if we ever forget it.

With love, and as always, stay safe in the high seas!

Lemmy.world Team

❤️

  • bean
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    4172 years ago

    This is what I like to see. Not just heels digging in, but explanations as to why, the follow-ups, the investigation of options and follow through. Thanks for the transparency. Piracy has and won’t ever go away. I used to pirate due to lack of money and resources. When I had those I went legit. When legit sources started turning into:

    • monthly subscriptions for everything
    • when legit sources suddenly delete or remove content from their systems (to avoid paying taxes?)
    • when the rates go up for everything (internet access AND streaming services)
    • now ads in your paid services unless you pay more (Amazon)
    • Plex trying to go legit and police where and how people run their private streaming, fucking over license holders who built the financial footing they could stand on in the first place. Cool.

    You can’t rely on any shit from these services, except for one shit… enshittification.

    I don’t want to sound negative, but as a consumer, it’s been nothing but ads rammed down our throats from everywhere we go and look. They lie, they change rates, they shrinkflate, while their pockets get bigger. Long live piracy.

    • @CosmicTurtle@lemmy.world
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      1152 years ago

      From lemmy.world’s perspective, I get it. Our current legal framework makes it damn near impossible from a financial standpoint to take a stand against corporations with pocketbooks the size of some first world countries.

      But the rise in piracy is a direct consequence of these corporations’ actions against their very users.

      Piracy has and always will be a service problem. I don’t think lemmy should be used to share torrents for example. But honest discussion about the current state of affairs and alternatives should be allowed.

      The admins took a measured approach here and it’s one that is refreshing given the regime that many of us came from.

    • Bebo
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      412 years ago

      One of the reasons I explore the high seas is that some shows I want to watch are not legally available to watch in my region at all.

    • @beefcat@lemmy.world
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      the problem i have, that nobody has been able to really explain to me, is how the economics of streaming should be made to work.

      content is insanely expensive to make. even with all of Netflix’s recent shitty changes, their operating margin is still only about 13%. that isn’t enough cash left over to fund production of every single show they don’t have. and it’s important that they actually be able to fund production, because unlike 10 years ago, most productions no longer rely on first runs on OTA or cable TV to make their money

      so it seems to me there are three paths here:

      1. the industry puts everything on a single service and dramatically increases the base price (remember cable? my parents paid twice as much for it in 2005 as i spend today on streaming services)

      2. the industry puts everything on a single service and dramatically scales back production (remember OTA TV?) to fit within the budget afforded by a reasonable subscription price

      3. studios branch off into competing streaming services

      i’m not trying to start a fight or defend shitty corporate behavior (no one will ever get me to pay for ads), i just want to know how people think this could work in a way that balances out

      • @takeda@lemmy.world
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        62 years ago

        Netflix caused movie pracy to nearly case, because was affordable and convenient. People preferred to pay than hunt and download movies.

        Once other studios started creating their streaming services, applying exclusivity for shows, jacking prices for their content (encouraging ads) all went to hell. They successfully managed to ruin the experience, and make it as shitty as cable.

        The thing about intellectual property is that you create it once and then you can copy it infinitely and generate profit. The studios want to maximize the profit, it isn’t (as you are suggesting) how hard was to create content, but it is how much people are ok paying. It always was.

        They can do this, because there’s monopoly due to crippled antitrust laws in the last 50 years.

        Piracy is a natural response to this, but they are using copyright (which was originally meant for different reason).

        Antitrust laws as well as laws like copyright, DMCA etc needs to be fixed.

      • @dx1@lemmy.world
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        “Content” at a minimum requires a video camera and people to stand in front of it. It’s involving hundreds of people in a production that’s expensive. People just hurl money at big centralized services, with the same mentality they had with cable TV, and of course they spend ungodly amounts, because they make even more. There’s all kinds of models that can work better than this.

      • @jimbo@lemmy.world
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        02 years ago

        their operating margin is still only about 13%. that isn’t enough cash left over to fund production of every single show they don’t have.

        Isn’t the money for producing shows included in their operating costs, meaning that their operating margin already accounts for that?

      • Brawler Yukon
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        -22 years ago

        i just want to know how people think this could work in a way that balances out

        They don’t. They just think content is generated in a vacuum and it’s their right to consume it in whatever way they see fit.

      • @HughJanus@lemmy.ml
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        -62 years ago

        no one will ever get me to pay for ads

        I don’t know where this comes from. Ads are a currency. You choose to allow ads to replace or supplement your payment, or you can choose to pay to forego them, on most all of these services. That’s not an option we ever had with cable (or any type of social media, for that matter).

        Running these services costs money and you pay money to fund them. These industries have operating at a loss for many years and they are just getting around to being profitable, and they do that by increasing costs.

        If you don’t want to pay for the service, just be upfront and say so.

      • @RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world
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        The solution is not one many people want to hear: reduce production costs.

        Content is expensive to make mostly because the people making it keep demanding more pay for less work. While it is understandable that people want this, this is not sustainable for an economy. When the economy fails, prices go up. Demanding employers pay more will immediately raise prices the same amount the wages increase, effectively leaving employees who got a raise in the same place they were before but eith bigger numbers, and severely damaging the economy at the same time.

        A show can be produced on a shoestring budget. Yes, the quality is lower than a million dollar movie. However, that doesn’t make the show bad. The X-Files was a great show produced on a tiny budget in its first season with phenomenal writing. Yet in the final season, it had a bigger budget but the writing was awful. In fact, most shows these days have awful writing. And the writers of these shows with bad writing are demanding more pay, yet their writing quality does not indicate they deserve increased pay. Certainly if a writer is outputting great work that should be rewarded, but increasing the pay of writers outputting garbage writing can only lead to more expensive garbage.

        Then you get to costume, props, and visual effects. First, the damaged economy from before appears in costumes and props material cost. This is unavoidable. In many cases, I would say that good practical effects are cheaper and more convincing than cheap CG. My solution is simply go back to the way films were made in the 70s and 80s. Ditch the bad CG and go for more practical effects.

        Last we have actors. Actors do not need more than 100k per film, and thats for the huge actors. Simple to understand, really. So many actors live opulent, overpaid lives, when they could live more simply, more normally, off of much less.

        The above aalso applies to directors, producers, streaming company executives and CEOs.

        Fix all these and your show production costs plummet. Now you can offer your streaming service at the same cost or cheaper than before while having a larger profit margin.

        • @dx1@lemmy.world
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          52 years ago

          Idk why you’re leading with writer pay, going into actor pay (most don’t make squat) and then execs at the big companies involved are tossed in as an afterthought. Probably why you’re getting downvoted.

  • Ignotum
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    1572 years ago

    Yet another informative post, and a decision that takes some guts and you’re willing to take on some extra work and risk in order to make the instance better

    I didn’t want to have to do this, but you’ve brought this upon yourself. You give me no choice but to… donate money to you which you so damn well deserve!

    Let this be a reminder that actions have consequences!

  • @3minutespast@lemmy.world
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    1262 years ago

    I think this is the mark of a decent admin team, the ability to re-evaluate a decision based on new or better data. I’m more inclined to stick with lemmy.world in the future, even through decisions I don’t necessarily agree with .

    • @meejle@lemmy.world
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      232 years ago

      Whereas on Reddit, it’d be used to justify a slippery slope. “We’ve already banned X and Y, so banning Z is just an extension of that.”

    • @assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world
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      152 years ago

      Even better, they did this because they knew it was unpopular with people and have since been trying to find a solution. That’s an excellent leadership quality.

  • @psychothumbs@lemmy.world
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    742 years ago

    Hey that’s great, good job! I’m so unused to any disappointing decision being reversed, this really is an amazing site.

  • MrSilkworm
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    732 years ago

    Thank you for the very informative post. Your professional way of handling the issue, puts corporate professionals, “cough” Reddit “cough”, look like the amateurs they really are

    • Wrench Wizard
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      222 years ago

      That’s what I thought while reading this. After being on reddit for so long posts like these are such a breathe of fresh air. In my time on Reddit the trend was ALWAYS 1: bad changes 2: worse change 3: nothing, it just becomes the new normal then, if anything 4: even worse changes.

      Blows my mind to see a site be cognizant of their users, listen to them and actually idk, work to fix things? Bravo.

      • Ann Archy
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        72 years ago

        You forgot the random instant site-wide permabans without explanation or possibility for appeal.

  • @devious@lemmy.world
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    662 years ago

    As always, appreciate both the transparency and the hard work and effort to make sure you are doing what is best for the community even if it isn’t always easy! ♥️

  • @TehBamski@lemmy.world
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    652 years ago

    “Please know that as users, you are what makes this platform what it is, and damned we be if we ever forget it.”

    A lesson u/spez forgot.

  • cheer
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    552 years ago

    Glad I can use this as my main instance again. Love the transparency of the mod team even if I don’t always agree with the decisions.

    • Antik 👾M
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      632 years ago

      We can’t always please everyone. And sometimes we have to make decisions or do things we personally don’t like or we would like to see differently but we have to think about both our team and our userbase.

      But thank you for your trust and welcome back.

    • Rentlar
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      402 years ago

      I think it’s fine and healthy for the fediverse if people spread out across different servers, it distributes the hosting cost.

      I don’t see a problem with announcing they “moved and aren’t coming back despite the reversal” on this particular thread, it appears relevant.

    • @OrekiWoof@lemmy.ml
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      82 years ago

      To show what happens if you don’t listen to the community before making changes, I’m guessing.

      • @Acters@lemmy.world
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        112 years ago

        But they are not incentivized to grow numbers exponentially like shareholder funded companies. They make money from community involvement and value-added services. Instead, they removed these type of contents because they felt like those communities needed to reform their overall community personality. In the end, it is all a community effort to help one another. now that users have switched, there is less legal pressure, and the people who moved have helped make these other servers better. It was a win-win for us. I am grateful to all the people who made the move and participated in posting to their respective communities.

        Also, this helps lessen the host cost on them. Lastly, a federated community is not the same as these mega corps.

      • @jimbo@lemmy.world
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        12 years ago

        My humble opinion is that the community can fuck off in matters like this. The random poster isn’t risking life-destroying legal trouble like the people running the servers are.

    • kratoz29
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      22 years ago

      Well, I did it too, and it is not worth making a whole comment about it because all of our reasons are predictable and this is the Fediverse and spreading is good.

      Now, I’m a bit out of the loop with the server uptime and all, but maybe if things are better I can consider Lemmy.world my backup account again… because I don’t really have one anymore.

  • Thank you for doing all of this including writing this post. The haters are binary thinkers who can’t be bothered with pesky things like “context” and “reality”

  • LimeWire
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    402 years ago

    I thank you for the work put into reversing the block.