• @Kwakigra@beehaw.org
    link
    fedilink
    442 years ago

    Freedom has two components: Positive Freedom and Negative Freedom. Negative Freedom is a lack of restriction from doing something, while Positive Freedom is the ability to do something. For example, I am free to go to Mars through the lens of Negative Freedom but not through the lens of Positive Freedom.

    Restricting Negative Freedom can enhance Positive Freedom. If a terrorist hate group is not allowed to exist, then those who would have been their victims can be free to live their lives without having them cut short by this disallowed association. This is a pro-freedom move in the direction of greater fairness and safety in Germany.

  • Storksforlegs
    link
    fedilink
    English
    40
    edit-2
    2 years ago

    Good! Other free countries, please follow suit.

    If you dont stomp out the nazi fascists, they will grow and try to stomp you.

    • prole
      link
      fedilink
      English
      112 years ago

      And I think Germany knows about that first hand.

  • FIash Mob #5678
    link
    fedilink
    362 years ago

    THIS is how you handle terrorist groups, not like here in America, where people let them hide behind the First Amendment and make excuses for their ideologies and behavior.

    • sub_o
      link
      fedilink
      English
      112 years ago

      Americans (and others) who like to tout free speech, watch them turn 180 instantaneously if you ask them whether the first amendment is applicable to ISIS, or any other groups that they don’t like.

      There’s a difference between being able to criticize government and people in power, to straight up inciting hate and racism.

      • FIash Mob #5678
        link
        fedilink
        52 years ago

        And many of those same absolutists fully support laws criminalizing stolen valor.

    • @Case@unilem.org
      link
      fedilink
      English
      52 years ago

      Thank you for differentiating.

      The original “skin head” movement was mostly factory workers in Britain who cut their hair short (not necessarily shaved bald) for safety around equipment, and some of the most popular music among the group was stuff by “rude boys” Jamaican primarily I believe.

      It was working class solidarity with no intentions of racism.

      The neo Nazi groups coopted the term, and delved into punk music to find disenfranchised people who would buy into their rhetoric.

      There are also other skin head groups that exist today - SHARP for example, standing for SkinHeads Against Racial Prejudice.

      Espouse hateful rhetoric around these guys and you’re liable to wind up on the wrong side of a brick to the head.

      Why do I know all this? I have a penchant for research, and in the past few years I’ve been shaving my head because I decided to own my thinning hairline instead of have some ridiculous comb over type shit and hide it.

      I have had an encounter with a racist white dude at a 711, and he’s ranting at the cashier and looks to me and said “Right brother?!”. No, it was absurdly horrible (misguided) and I threatened to call the cops if he didn’t leave the store and hopefully the neighborhood. He left when he realized he didn’t have any support.

      • @khalic@beehaw.org
        link
        fedilink
        32 years ago

        I used to go to a lot of punk concerts, you end up meeting a lot of people including redskins, OG skins, I’ve even met BDSM skinheads. The world is beautiful in its complexity