Edit, I’ll rephrase that. You can fork it and do whatever, even remove the “please donate” thing, but if you distribute any spy/malware versions they have legal avenues to force it to get taken down.
As confusing as it is, if you’re to follow the generally accepted definition from the Open Source Initiative, “open-source” doesn’t just mean open source code, but also openness to modification and redistribution - what you called free, others call libre, etc. Just having an open source code, they call “source available”.
That’s not a free software license though. Libre software must give you the right to run, study, modify and distribute the code. It doesn’t do that to my knowledge.
Correct it does not technically fit into FOSS, however the source code is still open for review, allowing you to run, study and modify the code. The only restriction is distribution.
If your personal model is to strictly use FOSS, then this program is not for you.
However, if your model is more about the ability to make personal modification, or to study the code to verify it is not malicious or spying, then this program allows for that.
It is also worth noting this program isn’t technically free (money), but there are no checks if you actually paid. It’s up to you and your own morals to pay or not. For me, I consider it no different than an obnoxious “buy me a coffee” button - if it bugs you that much, go delete it from the code you run.
TBH it’s not proprietary either. I’m OK with such licensing because it helps the developers fuck the clowns over who try to take their code without even a thanks. The source is available to audit if you’d like. That’s what I really care about.
The amount of FOSS snobbery in this community is hilarious. You typed that comment on a proprietary device with proprietary hardware, probably running proprietary software (unless you’re on Linux, truly using ALL open source stuff, including RISC-V hardware, FOSS browser and network stack). But God forbid an app is just source available instead of truly FOSS. Gasp! The horror! You should complain about it using one of the completely closed-source Android/iPhone apps that you use every day.
I run GNU/Linux on a Corebooted laptop. That’s my main device and the one I normally use to access Lemmy.
And FYI, I don’t run any proprietary app on my phone which runs a free software build of Android. Everything is installed from F-Droid.
It’s true that it runs proprietary firmware, but there’s currently no way around it. Unlike Grayjay, which is proprietary just because their greedy creators didn’t want people forking their app.
Fortunately, Invidious, Piped, Libretube and Newpipe all exist and work flawlessly so there’s no excuse to use proprietary trash like that.
Greedy? Lmao the app is free to use. My point is that you make compromises elsewhere with proprietary hardware and software, just like everybody else here, but you decide to draw the line at GrayJay just because it’s only source available? That’s silly, you’re just making yourself feel good with holier-than-thou bullshit.
Also, for the record, I’ve tried all the fully FOSS alternatives and they all have crap UX. GrayJay just works, like a good app should, and you can plug multiple accounts in from different platforms. It’s an excellent product, and it shows what excellent developers are capable of doing in a short time. It’s impressively stable for an app this young. But I guess you’ll never see for yourself because it’s “proprietary trash”. Lol.
you decide to draw the line at GrayJay just because it’s only source available?
I draw the line at the firmware level, yes, because sadly it’s insanely difficult to get a device that can be 100% free software. But from the OS level and up, everything that runs in my devices is free software. That of course includes apps. And Grayjay is no exception to that.
Source available or proprietary is the same to me, it restricts my freedoms as a computer user to not be able to freely modify and distribute my programs as I please.
Actually, I’d prefer for the Grayjay devs just to make it fully proprietary instead of falsely claiming it to be “open source” and using it as marketing. I have no problem with people using proprietary or source available programs. What bothers me are the misleading claims of the creator calling Grayjay open source, when clearly it is not.
GrayJay is still working.
That’s
proprietarynon-libre so not an option unfortunatelyEdit: Fixed technicality
It’s open source, you just can’t fork it.
Edit, I’ll rephrase that. You can fork it and do whatever, even remove the “please donate” thing, but if you distribute any spy/malware versions they have legal avenues to force it to get taken down.
That’s not open source, it’s source-available
Sounds more like open source but not free software?
As confusing as it is, if you’re to follow the generally accepted definition from the Open Source Initiative, “open-source” doesn’t just mean open source code, but also openness to modification and redistribution - what you called free, others call libre, etc. Just having an open source code, they call “source available”.
It annoys me to no end, but it is what it is…
That’s not a free software license though. Libre software must give you the right to run, study, modify and distribute the code. It doesn’t do that to my knowledge.
Correct it does not technically fit into FOSS, however the source code is still open for review, allowing you to run, study and modify the code. The only restriction is distribution.
If your personal model is to strictly use FOSS, then this program is not for you.
However, if your model is more about the ability to make personal modification, or to study the code to verify it is not malicious or spying, then this program allows for that.
It is also worth noting this program isn’t technically free (money), but there are no checks if you actually paid. It’s up to you and your own morals to pay or not. For me, I consider it no different than an obnoxious “buy me a coffee” button - if it bugs you that much, go delete it from the code you run.
Exactly, I don’t want software that doesn’t respect the 4 freedoms. It makes forks impossible and still gives the developer unjustified power.
TBH it’s not proprietary either. I’m OK with such licensing because it helps the developers fuck the clowns over who try to take their code without even a thanks. The source is available to audit if you’d like. That’s what I really care about.
you can keep your proprietary trash for yourself
The amount of FOSS snobbery in this community is hilarious. You typed that comment on a proprietary device with proprietary hardware, probably running proprietary software (unless you’re on Linux, truly using ALL open source stuff, including RISC-V hardware, FOSS browser and network stack). But God forbid an app is just source available instead of truly FOSS. Gasp! The horror! You should complain about it using one of the completely closed-source Android/iPhone apps that you use every day.
LMAO
I run GNU/Linux on a Corebooted laptop. That’s my main device and the one I normally use to access Lemmy.
And FYI, I don’t run any proprietary app on my phone which runs a free software build of Android. Everything is installed from F-Droid.
It’s true that it runs proprietary firmware, but there’s currently no way around it. Unlike Grayjay, which is proprietary just because their greedy creators didn’t want people forking their app.
Fortunately, Invidious, Piped, Libretube and Newpipe all exist and work flawlessly so there’s no excuse to use proprietary trash like that.
Greedy? Lmao the app is free to use. My point is that you make compromises elsewhere with proprietary hardware and software, just like everybody else here, but you decide to draw the line at GrayJay just because it’s only source available? That’s silly, you’re just making yourself feel good with holier-than-thou bullshit.
Also, for the record, I’ve tried all the fully FOSS alternatives and they all have crap UX. GrayJay just works, like a good app should, and you can plug multiple accounts in from different platforms. It’s an excellent product, and it shows what excellent developers are capable of doing in a short time. It’s impressively stable for an app this young. But I guess you’ll never see for yourself because it’s “proprietary trash”. Lol.
I draw the line at the firmware level, yes, because sadly it’s insanely difficult to get a device that can be 100% free software. But from the OS level and up, everything that runs in my devices is free software. That of course includes apps. And Grayjay is no exception to that.
Source available or proprietary is the same to me, it restricts my freedoms as a computer user to not be able to freely modify and distribute my programs as I please.
Actually, I’d prefer for the Grayjay devs just to make it fully proprietary instead of falsely claiming it to be “open source” and using it as marketing. I have no problem with people using proprietary or source available programs. What bothers me are the misleading claims of the creator calling Grayjay open source, when clearly it is not.