• Nacktmull
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    2 years ago

    In ww2 the Russians did most of he dirty work anyway. When the USA joined the war it was already clear the axis had lost.

    • @TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id
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      02 years ago

      Typical oversimplified tripe. Soviet bodies played a huge role, but US and British mechanized force projection, naval power and industrial capacity were at least as important.

      It’s also just bullshit that the Axis had already lost. That’s the worst kind of historical revisionism. It might be obvious to us looking back, but it wasn’t even remotely obvious to anyone alive then.

    • cooljacob204
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      02 years ago

      Lol no it wasn’t clear. And you’re forgetting about the entire Pacific.

      Russians trying to rewrite history, forgetting who supplied half their army while also joining a war against their enemy on another front (at great cost to western lives), overall saving lives as the Germans had to divert resources and ending the war in Europe sooner.

      • davel [he/him]
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        02 years ago

        Neither of you are wrong, but Americans should understand that the USSR suffered over twenty million deaths vs ~117,000 Americans on the Western Front. They had their own western cities & infrastructure invaded/destroyed. The undertaking & sacrifices are hard to compare.

        Russians trying to rewrite history

        Okay my bad: you actually are wrong.

        • cooljacob204
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          12 years ago

          It’s been a very common thing recently with Russian to claim the West basically did nothing in WW2.

          They are quite literally rewriting history in their classrooms.

          Now I won’t deny they took the brunt of the force and paid an absolutely huge price in lives.

          But op is trying to use WW2 as a way to say the US is bad. That we did nothing and only joined when it was basically over. It’s a super common Russian nationalist talking point right now.

      • @zerfuffle@lemmy.ml
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        -12 years ago

        Operation Barbarossa had stalled by the time the US entered the war. German logistics were overextended, they were out of oil, and they were against a larger, rapidly industrializing power defending their homeland.

        By the time D-Day rolled around, Army Group North and Army Group South were taking loss after loss and the USSR had reclaimed a significant chunk of the land lost during Barbarossa. The Germans were in collapse. Roosevelt had promised a second front in 1942 but couldn’t deliver until 1944 (when it was clear that the Soviets had a clear shot at Berlin and had the momentum to keep going).

        The Dnieper-Carpathian Offensive put Army Group Center in an increasingly precarious position even as Russia continually gained ground in Byelorussia.