You’re assuming the Marxist theory of the state is the same as the anarchist, which is wrong. Marxists care more about class, anarchists care more about hierarchy. A stateless society for Marxists is a fully collectivized and planned, classless economy, while for anarchists it usually looks something more like full horizontalism and petite bourgeois cooperatives at scale. Bakunin was wrong, in the end.
Not exactly. A manager is not a distinct class from a worker, class is related to ownership of the means of production. Administration in communist society isn’t a class distinct from the rest of the working class, but is merely a position within the broader production in society.
Over time, as technology advances and the division of labor fades, this will likely also become shared responsibility, but such a time would be late-stage communism.
So a CEO is working class because they get salary while a stakeholder who owns like a fraction of 1% and has nothing to say is a capitalist? The binary class system of Marx’ time has nothing to do with modern times.
Also: I always hear Marxists refer to “socialist states” as if non of them ever reached statelessness. I wonder why.
You’re assuming the Marxist theory of the state is the same as the anarchist, which is wrong. Marxists care more about class, anarchists care more about hierarchy. A stateless society for Marxists is a fully collectivized and planned, classless economy, while for anarchists it usually looks something more like full horizontalism and petite bourgeois cooperatives at scale. Bakunin was wrong, in the end.
Class is hierarchy…
Not exactly. A manager is not a distinct class from a worker, class is related to ownership of the means of production. Administration in communist society isn’t a class distinct from the rest of the working class, but is merely a position within the broader production in society.
Over time, as technology advances and the division of labor fades, this will likely also become shared responsibility, but such a time would be late-stage communism.
So a CEO is working class because they get salary while a stakeholder who owns like a fraction of 1% and has nothing to say is a capitalist? The binary class system of Marx’ time has nothing to do with modern times.
Also: I always hear Marxists refer to “socialist states” as if non of them ever reached statelessness. I wonder why.