You can literally get arrested for social media posts in Europe. Anybody who’s still pretending that there are some civil liberties in the west is deeply unserious.
I am saying that a country with a functional judiciary is categorically different than one without.
Saying democratic countries with laws you dislike are the same as a country where the state is unrestrained by law is utter nonsense.
Edit: To put it very simply, in both places you could be arrested for social media posts. In El Salvador, that could be the last anyone hears of you. In the other, you have a lawyer, a fair trial and if you lose, you still have some human rights.
These aren’t democratically popular laws and the people never voted to have these laws put into place. These laws were imposed onto them because their democracy is limited by what they are allowed to even vote for - in the end, there is still a ruling class.
The regimes that disappears citizens are western “democracies”. The only thing that’s mind bendingly dumb here is fact that you’re evidently unaware of this fact.
The west is literally commiting a genocide. They are mass disappearing people into the afterlife. Mind boggling that in 2025 we still have incredulous libs who believe in western exceptionalism.
You’re right, it would be entirely idiotic to compare a socialist government dealing with violent extremism by providing education with a fascist regime incarcerating people protesting a genocide it’s conducting.
Bukele, the Bitcoin-toting collaborationist with the Trump deportation scheme, is now a socialist. A self described “Third Way”-ist is now a socialist. A man who hangs out at CPAC, is now a socialist.
What kind of speech posted in social media post do you find it awful that people can get arrested for? One should not escape prosecution for death threats, child pornography or hate speech just because it’s published in the form of a social media post. But I suspect you probably have something closer to a grey area in mind.
You can literally get arrested for social media posts in Europe. Anybody who’s still pretending that there are some civil liberties in the west is deeply unserious.
And then, as has happened for those cases, you get a trial.
The people arrested in El Salvador do not get trials. To conflate the two situations is either ignorant or simply childish.
So if someone gets a trial and is found guilty for making bad posts you do not believe their civil liberties were violated, is that right?
No.
I am saying that a country with a functional judiciary is categorically different than one without.
Saying democratic countries with laws you dislike are the same as a country where the state is unrestrained by law is utter nonsense.
Edit: To put it very simply, in both places you could be arrested for social media posts. In El Salvador, that could be the last anyone hears of you. In the other, you have a lawyer, a fair trial and if you lose, you still have some human rights.
I know which I’d prefer.
“”“Democratic”“” doing a lot of work there.
These aren’t democratically popular laws and the people never voted to have these laws put into place. These laws were imposed onto them because their democracy is limited by what they are allowed to even vote for - in the end, there is still a ruling class.
Arguing there’s no difference between a regime that disappears citizens and a flawed western democracy is mind bendingly dumb.
The regimes that disappears citizens are western “democracies”. The only thing that’s mind bendingly dumb here is fact that you’re evidently unaware of this fact.
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I’m sure you’ll grow out of it one day.
The west is literally commiting a genocide. They are mass disappearing people into the afterlife. Mind boggling that in 2025 we still have incredulous libs who believe in western exceptionalism.
Yeah, one is run by white people
There isn’t enough of a difference. After all, El Salvador is a “flawed democracy” too.
A flawed democracy that disappears citizens.
Seriously, it’s not complicated.
So the government can do anything it wants to its citizens as long as it isn’t secret?
The US definitely doesn’t have this anymore.
Lol, are we seriously comparing CECOTland with being sued over posts? Deeply unserious.
You’re right, it would be entirely idiotic to compare a socialist government dealing with violent extremism by providing education with a fascist regime incarcerating people protesting a genocide it’s conducting.
Bukele, the Bitcoin-toting collaborationist with the Trump deportation scheme, is now a socialist. A self described “Third Way”-ist is now a socialist. A man who hangs out at CPAC, is now a socialist.
I have to frame this comment.
I assumed you were referring to China there with the fav lib “education camps” trope.
I referenced CECOT on a post talking about El Salvador. Not sure how u managed to think I was talking about China.
yeah that’s on me
What kind of speech posted in social media post do you find it awful that people can get arrested for? One should not escape prosecution for death threats, child pornography or hate speech just because it’s published in the form of a social media post. But I suspect you probably have something closer to a grey area in mind.
I’m talking about things like people protesting a literal genocide that the UK and Germany are conducting in Gaza https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/uk-pensioner-student-arrested-for-backing-palestine-action/article69906189.ece
Opposition to genocide