• Is that even happening? Considered US police and various letter agencies are basically at the level of open warfare against the population i would imagine population of such a liberty loving country would fight back…

    • @Merva@sh.itjust.works
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      Yeah, Americans love to fantasise about their beloved 2nd amendment (regardless of political persuasion), but they have never ever used it for what they (falsely) claim it was intended for.

    • @IttihadChe@lemmy.ml
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      022 days ago

      Do you expect individuals to go up to their local government and let loose? What do you think the result of that would be?

      That’s not how resistance movements work and never has been.

      You must build first. Read history.

      • I’m calling up Americans and their relation to government. They are not the courageous liberty loving individuals they claim they are, there is plenty of gun violence in USA but very little if any is against the government and for their liberties despite it becing cited as the main reason of what is otherwise just a gun fetishism.

        Point is: liberalism sucks and is unable to organise anyone for anything.

        • @IttihadChe@lemmy.ml
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          Well Americans aren’t a monolith and as I said, individuals taking action against a government achieves nothing. Do you believe America has achieved a mass leftist movement capable of overthrowing the govt?

          Unless you are in China, Cuba, Vietnam, or NK you really don’t have a valid platform to criticize a people not overthrowing their government, have you partaken in the overthrow of your government/do you agree with your government?

          Considering the OP is mocking a “leftist” liberal advocating the disarmament of the people. Do you think OP/most people agreeing with OP here are right wing liberals or ollectivist leftists? It seems to me you are advocating for liberal individualism or from a similar liberal view unless I’m drastically misunderstanding something.

    • Belly_Beanis [he/him]
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      Police and the military aren’t attacked in the US because the majority of Americans think those are good things. Americans want white supremacy and classicism enforced. Americans just think the enforcement is being done to the wrong groups, so they carry out mass shootings against schools, churches, etc. as a correction.

      The actually oppressed are in no position to openly engage in warfare against the government. MLK pointed out it would be a disaster because the retaliation would exceed any forces black Americans could muster. Look at how much pearl clutching was done in the wake of the George Floyd protests. The so-called moderates immediately supported the pigs throwing people into unmarked vans.

  • NewDark [he/him]
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    023 days ago

    Oh right! Guess I should just let cops and military do whatever they want because they have the special American pass.

  • Assian_Candor [comrade/them]
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    If you ever bought a gun because you thought you would use it to kill the people you hate the most, stop and consider that I am one of those people

  • @Doctor_Satan@lemm.ee
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    He thinks he’s talking to conservatives, playing on their “thin blue line” sympathies. But like every other rank-and-file Democrat, he has failed to read the fucking room. The right-wing in America showed us on January 6th 2021 that their support of law enforcement is purely conditional, and will be revoked the minute they don’t get their way. And the Left? We always hated cops.

    His message reached zero people.

  • @Sam_Bass@lemmy.world
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    If those soldiers and cops are there solely at the behest of s despot like the current one in office then they are expendable

  • Lovable Sidekick
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    022 days ago

    It also involves the fantasy that you and your freedom buddies will survive a serious encounter with US armed forces because you have camos and tactical boots.

  • @qarbone@lemmy.world
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    Why are we punching a strawman made out of a 7 year old tweet? Get something more current of his to spit on.

    Not even getting into how this can more squarely be aimed at conservatives who profess to love the cops and love the troops, but love the 2nd just as much. The article specifically about defending yourself from troops and cops.

    • @geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml
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      It does represent the dichotomy of Democrats complaining about 2a when they are in control but people realizing its importance when the repression they commit abroad comes home.

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        I think it represents a timely reminder that we now know those who scream the loudest about the 2A, and how we can’t do a damn thing about gun violence because it would erode their freedoms, have no interest in using it the way they’ve always proclaimed they must, as long as the right people are being hurt.

        And I’m not actually anti-2A so much as I am anti-a-particular-sort-of-gun-enthusiast.

        • @ubergeek@lemmy.today
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          I’m not keen on the 2A, based on it’s original purpose and use. I am, however, pro “Under no pretext shall arms and ammunition be surrendered, and any attempts to do should be frustrated, by force, if necessary.”

          • @octopus_ink@slrpnk.net
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            I am not arguing in any way for disarmament. But the fact that’s all anyone seems to think I’m saying is kind of proving my point.

            • @ubergeek@lemmy.today
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              Nah, I was only replying to the part about you not being a 2a supporter, showing you dont have to be, in order to support an armed working class 😀

  • @folaht@lemmy.ml
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    To answer Pete Buttigeg:

    That’s the point!

    You know those Russian soldiers dropped their weapons during the October revolution.
    If American soldoers are wise, they’d do the same.

    Or is Pete trying to tell everyone to be more like Benjamin Netanyahu when buying a gun?

  • @je_skirata@lemmy.today
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    022 days ago

    If it comes to the point where the government is so bad that civilians have to fight against it, then the soldiers and police officers should join them.

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      Yea, so here’s the thing bud, those guys are there to protect the capital owners… Sorry. Pete’s right about their inclusion however not accepting if they fail to stand down then they should go too.

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      That would be nice, wouldn’t it ? unfortunately cops are lawful evil, meaning they gave allegiance to DAS KAPITAL