I’ll upvote Tom Morello anytime
Upvote ticketmaster
When I was a Republican I saw this talking point come up a lot and sadly I used to buy into it. Basically GOPers attack RATM by claiming they are actually part of the machine and justify their argument by saying other people such as outspoken actors in Hollywood have the same politics and that they charge high ticket prices and use services such as Ticketmaster, perform at large venues and associated with Sony Music (through Epic Records).
Reflecting on this it’s not a good argument. In life things are not perfect so while they may be doing things like using Ticketmaster they are still doing a lot of good things and working towards a more fair and equitable society, perhaps one day in part due to their music motivating and encouraging people to elect more progressive people Ticketmaster will be regulated or broken up.
It’s surprising to me to see the same talking points I’m familiar with come not from the right but come from the left because you and RATM likely have a lot in common when it comes to political stances. For example I’m sure you and RATM are both against police brutality. Even if Sony manufactures RATM’s CDs isn’t it a lot better that someone has RATM playing in their car instead of whatever right wing talk show trash is playing on Clear Channel-owned stations (now called iheartmedia)?
Morello being into shitcoins got to me.
That’s like saying cops can fix the system from the inside
I guess if you ignore everything they said, yeah sure it kind of is like saying that 🤔
the goat
100% agreement here.
Violence against Nazis isnt the answer, its a question and the answer is always yes.
Sigh… I miss the days when Rage Against The Machine focused on music and wasn’t political.
Tap for spoiler
I feel obligated to say this is sarcasm, just because of the way things are. (There are actually some people who said this to Tom on Xitter lmao.)
Right wing guy in my discord said it was one of his 1st concerts. Like dude, are u deaf?
I know right! The band didn’t start getting political until 1991.
spoiler
The band was founded in 1991.
Now that I think of it the whole 90s didn’t start getting political until around 1991.
Stupid conservatives think, “fuck you, I won’t do what you tell me,” is speaking to them. Your spoiler / deflection is absolutely necessary. There are a lot of people who don’t understand what they take in.
There are a lot of people who don’t understand what they take in.
Sorry, that went way over my head. /s
What machine do these people think they are raging against? A dishwasher?
Hp printer
To be fair, it’d definitely be justified…
It’s entirely possible HP printers acted like a gateway to first experiencing true rage, that later led people into the maga cult.
Nazis deserve to be shot and killed
Nazi is a mental illness, sequester them and heal, or keep boxed forever incommunicado to prevent spread of the disease.
Nazis deserve exactly as much mercy and tolerance as they give to others.
There, the solution!
Repay everyone exactly as much tolerance as they give to you
No, this wording is bad.
I get a lot of tolerance from Nazis, because I’m a big, white, blue eyed, german dude. And I do not intend to give that back, I’ll give them exactly as much tolerance as they give to my ethnic or sexual minority brothers and sisters.
Fair enough!
Guys he’s just a Nationalsozialistische
He’s supporting ya’ll americans Führer
The paradox of tolerance is a philosophical concept suggesting that if a society extends tolerance to those who are intolerant, it risks enabling the eventual dominance of intolerance, thereby undermining the very principle of tolerance.
In a tolerant society we must be intolerant of intolerance.
In a tolerant society we must be intolerant of intolerance.
No we musn’t. The intolerant have broken the social contract and are no longer extended that latitude.
Screw the paradox. Tolerance is a social contract. Intolerant people aren’t covered by the contract, therefore intolerance of intolerance isn’t hypocritical or paradoxical.
You are agreeing. They said we must be INtolerant of intolerance.
You are correct, I misread what they wrote despite quoting it. Whoops. 🙂
If only his solo music was as good as his politics. The difference in quality between his work with RATM and his solo output is mind boggling.
That feels unnecessarily harsh. Especially since music is subjective and he’s purposefully not using his greatest skill, the electric guitar… and while I’m not a fan of the nightwatchman stuff, the music itself isn’t bad, just not my cup of tea. Also, the Audioslave stuff is great too, not just RATM. That’s already two hugely successful bands, which is 2 more than most artists.
Organize and protect yourselves and those you care about, Nazis won’t care.
Arm yourselves.
The Nazis are already armed.
Diesel, bear spray, propane, and gasoline don’t care if you’re wearing a bulletproof vest.
Just pointing that out in case it becomes relevant.
Yep, becoming familiar with firearms is something I wish was unnecessary, but until the working class is liberated it’s necessary. I dream of a future where the working class has won triumphantly, worldwide, and that violence fades into urban legend outside of somber historical remembrance.
Tom Morello isn’t qualified to speak about politics.
It’s not like he graduated from Harvard University with honours as a Political Science major.
He’s just some pop artist who Paul Ryan loves.
Lemmy needs to work on detecting sarcasm
hE sHoULd sTAy oUt oF puHLityiCks
The only viable solution when Nazis take control of government is violence. There is no reasoning with them, they are not logical.
The violence came from outside the country last time. That’s not happening this time.
Except maybe the troll you are replying to wants violence. 🤷
History has proven this.
This is correct, and also, Nazis don’t care about good faith argumentation. They’re explicitly anti-liberal (as in, liberty, freedom) and will only pretend to have these values to try and point out an apparent contradiction (“You believe in rights to speech and democracy, so why are you censoring us?”)
In this video of former white supremacists talking about how they left the ideology, one brings up that on their Nazi website, it was normal and common to argue for points they knew were garbage, like the Great Replacement theory. It’s about power and results, not liberalist idealism.
Violent methods usually aren’t the preferred way of dealing with Nazis (because it’s harder to get a mass movement to join in and support it, and because it’s riskier, legally, which makes it harder to sustain), but it works. It broke up the BUF in Britain, it’s kept the local turds scared to show their faces or reveal their true thoughts (don’t worry, they still usually get revealed by researchers anyway). Violence works. They know it and we know it. But when they’re the government, their violence is now legal.
these values to try and point out an apparent contradiction (“You believe in rights to speech and democracy, so why are you censoring us?”)
Nazis want to take that freedom
Of course, but it’s there now and they’re happy to abuse it. Call them hypocrites all you want, they couldn’t care less.
Im well aware. Fuck em
Yeah? You and what army? Seriously tho I’m looking to join.
I am exercising my 2nd amendment rights, purchasing multiple firearms for multiple purposes and have signed up for classes at a local range. I’m with you, but acknowledge that this part of it feels like a lonely endeavor.
Saw him play recently in Alabama. They were selling this phrase on a shirt. Much to my surprise, that shirt was sold out by the time I went to pick it up. I was pleasantly shocked.
Just checked their online merch page and the shirt isn’t there. But third-party shirt printers are easy to find and cost not much. Everyone who can should buy one and wear it proudly.
Saw someone wearing that shirt in a shopping mall in the UK!
$50 each no doubt
That’s how bands make most of their money in the streaming era and with ticketmaster raking in a big chunk of the ticket sales despite not providing much.
They could just play shows at venues not owned by Ticketmaster
Good luck with that
That’s a super naive take.
Lmao why?
My buddy bought tickets to a ratm show. He had no one to go with so he invited me. We got there and were bombarded with Pepsi, lysol, and tons of other brand advertising projected on every wall of the massive stadium owned by a billionaire. We waiting for an hour while the advertisements wore our souls down to nothing
Then when the show finally starts it turns out most of the people there are complaining about how political the band has gotten.
Maybe when your ticket prices START at $150, you may not be the band of the people you thought you were.
That doesn’t mean they have to play at their venues. They have enough money that they could just post up in an empty field somewhere.
Reading that makes me very happy! I try tell people this whenever I can: there’s hope everywhere in America, no matter how red a state is now it can become blue one day. I was a Trump supporter myself and changed, other people can too! Think about all the people in Alabama who bought that shirt. If they banded together they could change Alabama for the better. Things won’t be instant but perhaps they get a better mayor elected, then a better state representative then send someone better to the House, then one day a better Senator. If we try and work together it can happen!
