You know it’s gotten pretty bad when even the anarchist flag usernames are meming about how ridiculous the anti tankie attitude is.
Imo anarchists and people who even lean that way have a big interest in making sure tankie doesn’t get used as an insult for anyone to the left of liberals, real tankies grouped and killed anarchists, letting everyone be called tankies and not just real tankies means Anarchists are less safe.
Soviet Union General Secretary Joseph Stalin broke the Non-Intervention Agreement and League of Nations embargo by providing material assistance to the Republican forces, becoming their only source of major weapons.
From August 1936 onward, over one ship per day arrived at Spain’s Mediterranean ports with Russian aid: munitions, rifles, machine guns, hand grenades, artillery, trucks, Soviet agents, technicians, instructors, and propagandists.
Yup. Mutual aid and mutual security are closely tied. Any top down heirarchal structure, no matter how temporary you’re told it will be, is against the interests of the workers/proletariat/commoner.
Communists worked closely with fascists in Italy to have anarchists killed when Mussolini was in power.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism_in_Italy
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_attempts_on_Benito_Mussolini
Please modify your biased and childish sources.
I’ve been more people complaining about Tankies than anything actually based on what Tankies support. But I’ve seen plenty of shitlibs openly supporting for biogtry on .world
Your instance probably filters them from you.
Nah, I get hexbear users popping up. Unsure of lemmygrad.
Dbzer0 is defederated from Grad as far as I know. The admins are generally hostile towards MLs, they only allow Hexbear because it has a significant Anarchist presense.
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You aren’t on Grad.
True left unity is uniting against .world
.world is based in a fascist country (the Netherlands).
Geerts apologists don’t have sound judgments.
Right, never start complaining about someone until they rule the world.
I swear all the winners are messaging me from sh.itsjust.fascism
Would you recognize irony if you sat on it?
It’s an instance that doesn’t require an interview and mostly has an absent admin so .world admins can’t pressure them to ban accounts ‘for the good if the fediverse’. Of course some sh.it heels use it but I plays an important roll.
I really disagree that any role sh.itjust.works plays is positive, though. It hosts MWoG and NCD, some of the most right-wing communities on the Fediverse, and moreover the admin thinks China and Russia are pushing “gender politics” to radicalize western youths against the US. The fact that there’s no interview is by design, it serves as a foothold for right-wingers and fascists who would be banned elsewhere.
That use of “transgender ideology” without a hint of irony
Yep, and that it’s highly upvoted tells you a lot about that community in general.
I have a brain, you know.
Yes, American propaganda is propaganda, but also: They’re both hugely powerful countries. It’s a bit naive to view either without healthy scepticism.
Just my perspective from a smaller country. I wish we weren’t the US’ little bitch (Australia) and think I do view China quite a lot more favourably than the average US or Australian citizen, but I think the first sentence in your meme is the healthy view here with practically any country.
Who told you not to trust anything the US said?
This is meme is for people who are incapable of forming their own thoughts but have been told they are, aka, tools of propaganda.
Who told you not to trust anything the US said?
Living in the US is sufficient cause to distrust its government.
Being educated is a sufficient cause to distrust all governments.
Idk I like it when the proletariat is able to dictate the course of society
Not at all.
Someone told you not to trust either. Presumable not the same person, presumable American government told you not to trust China but that begs then question who told you not to trust the American government.
Further the meme implies one should trust the Chinese government presumably because an untrustworthy source told you not to which is a mentally stunted view.
Not being trapped under the direct influence of the Chinese government, there are clearly many of reasons not to trust that government either.
There is no reason to trust any government. A basic understanding of history should make it clear that this is true of any government that has ever existed.
who told you not to trust the American government.
You don’t have to be told not to trust it. Even deluded Chuds who guzzle US corporate propaganda all day don’t trust it.
Further the meme implies one should trust the Chinese government presumably because an untrustworthy source told you not to which is a mentally stunted view.
No, the meme implies that your distrust isn’t justified, not that trust is justified.
Not being trapped under the direct influence of the Chinese government, there are clearly many of reasons not to trust that government either.
Okay, have you talked to any recent(as in the last 10 years) immigrants from China who don’t make way over the median US income? Or hell, earlier immigrants mostly only complain about the liberalization period under Deng.
There is no reason to trust any government. A basic understanding of history should make it clear that this is true of any government that has ever existed
This doesn’t really acknowledge the class character of the state.
Why would immigrants be trusted source?
People have personal biases, good and bad. People have confirmation bias. It sounds like the immigrants biases have confirmed your biases.
Even if I were to ignore all of that, your experience is an anecdotal data point for me so my opinion that no government should be trust remains.
Given that I’m not attempting to replicate or advocate for any specific form of government this seems prudent.
For anyone still reading and is really bored, my personal belief is that the only path forward is an society that is governed by immutable mathematical agreements.
It’s hard to describe what I have in mind in a comment as there are many interacting pieces that together create a system that requires no government, no leaders, no fake money and no ambiguity.
I can say the same for China
Except you literally can’t.
The government that actively tries to censor elements of news from their citizens. Yeah buddy, sure thing.
I said
“Living in the US is sufficient cause to distrust its government.”
You replied:
“I can say the same for China”
I replied:
“Except you literally can’t.” Meaning you don’t live in China so you can’t make the claim with similar level of authority
And then you made the comment I replied to, and I don’t see at all how it is connected to the line of conversation.
I guess I can’t because i don’t live in China, but you understand the point of my argument yet choose to play semantics. It’s fine
Well that’s a strawman if I’ve ever seen one
Look agan
Look agan
I did! It’s a Siberian river river apparently. What about it? 🤓
A tankie seems to be supporting Russia, with Russians support, defending itself from NATO expansion. Many communities view US empire objective of diminishing Russia to be a supreme right, and the “virtue of democracy” that all demonism must be true.
in order to combat leftist propaganda lemmy.flatearth is now forcing disinformation onto its communities. The red scare runs deep.
Seriously?
yup it was a recent announcement about “balanced discussions” or whatever
the liberals got the world they fought so hard for when USSR was dissolved, against the will of the people, and they havent stopped crying about it since
Didn’t it die because everyone including Russia wanted out? Closest to the will of the people for keeping it they got was having the only referendum they ever had be about if USSR should be basically replaced with some other form of union. Which is not great.
It died because after a referendum for its dissolution failed, there was a power struggle as the communists tried to prevent Yeltsin from doing it anyway, and Yeltsin ended up ordering tanks to fire on the parliament building until the communist pro-democracy forces surrendered. Then the soviet union broke up and 7 million people died from capitalist shock therapy aided by bourgeois “democratic” governments.
It died because after a referendum for its dissolution failed, there was a power struggle as the communists tried to prevent Yeltsin from doing it anyway, and Yeltsin ended up ordering tanks to fire on the parliament building until the communist pro-democracy forces surrendered.
I thought it was a hardliner coup that tried to stop implementation of the New Union Treaty that people voted for. Funny that they wanted to prevent the decentralization and ended up causing a total decentralization by way of making even this new union unpalatable.
Soviet Union had a single referendum and it immediately caused a coup and destruction of the whole Union. No wonder they didn’t want to have them before lel
The new union treaty should have been stopped based on the results of the referendum, which overwhelmingly supported the maintaining of the current federal system.
Soviet Union had a single referendum and it immediately caused a coup and destruction of the whole Union. No wonder they didn’t want to have them before lel
The soviet union was constantly under siege since its infancy. Its latter years were marked with reforms which took power away from the local level of federated democracy and liberalized many aspects of their society. At the end capitalist viewpoints were being printed and published in state run and paid for media. It died a death of a thousand cuts since ww2 killed so many of their rank and file best-disrupting their lower level democracy-, and Stalin’s re-democratization efforts were cut short by his assassination.
The new union treaty should have been stopped based on the results of the referendum, which overwhelmingly supported the maintaining of the current federal system.
Huh? People voted for the NUT (heh).
“The referendum asked whether to approve a new Union Treaty between the republics, to replace the 1922 treaty that created the USSR. […] The referendum’s question was approved by nearly 80% of voters in all nine other republics that took part. However, the August coup attempt by hardliners of the Communist Party prevented the anticipated signing of the New Union Treaty that was due to take place the next day.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Soviet_Union_referendum
People voted for the treaty in the referendum, hardline communists stopped the signing because they didn’t like it.
This was the text (translated):
Do you consider it necessary to preserve the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics as a renewed federation of equal sovereign republics, in which the rights and freedoms of a person of any nationality will be fully guaranteed?
Yes, that renewed federation was what the New Union Treaty was supposed to bring about before being stopped. That’s what they voted for.
Did you not read the article? It’s right before that referendum text…
Aside from conservatives, does anyone think the world is controlled by marxists, tankie or otherwise?
The meme is about lemmy.world and American liberals are center-right conservatives so…
American liberals are centre-left progressives* FTFY
Can you define center-left in global terms and then in the context of US politics? There’s a very important distinction there that you are glossing over.
The way i see it, the global center-left refers to political ideologies and parties that advocate for a moderate form of social democracy or progressive policies while still operating within a capitalist framework.
In America, center-left describes individuals or movements that align with progressive or liberal values which includes things like support for social welfare, promoting civil liberties and backing environmental initiatives.
Although I’m not American, this is how i usually see them being portrayed in the media, so i could be glossing over some things.
In the global terms of political discourse the Democratic party is as of the most recent election now Center Right and the Republican party is Far Right. The Dems in the US, in recent history, started moving to the right with Clinton, arrived at the center with Obama and have now moved into the right with Biden/Harris/Walz.
https://manifesto-project.wzb.eu/
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/06/26/opinion/sunday/republican-platform-far-right.html
https://www.politico.com/story/2008/07/obamas-steady-centrism-011880
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2024-10-10/2024-election-kamala-harris-policy-shifts
Hmm interesting context i didn’t know about. It would seem to me, however, that this is only a reflection of the direction the party leaders are taking the party towards and not actual sentiments of party members. The democrats are a huge contradiction basically.
Sanders in 2016 proved that only the Dem Party leader interests matter to the Dem Party.
I guess it depends on the country. Unfortunately here in Brasil it’s rather common to find people that believes in “cultural Marxism” and how our education system is Marxist or leftist or some shit. Which is total BS used to smear and drive people away from higher education.
The closest is the PRC, though all Marxists understand that the US is the current hegemon.
That’s not really a thing neoliberals say…
They definitely complain about the tankies being a big part of the culture of Lemmy, and housing some of the biggest communities, but the statement in the comic isn’t even remotely a thing neolibs or the .world demographic says
So this comic kinda just feels like a strange, confusing straw man…
Nothing appears to exist if you never open your eyes
Real eyes realize real lies
Really bro? That’s what we’re doing now?
Yea this is what happens when you tolerate hexbear
They aren’t even from hexbear
I know. Cancer spreads.
Lol, ok…
This is a self explanatory meme, get some fucking perspective.
I don’t care about tankies. I care about the fucking image reactions that make using this website intolerable
Blazeit
Leftism is cancer now?
Reaction images are leftism now?
Wow Toler ate your face
How dare I not take a meme seriously. This is very serious business! We should have a debate
You don’t have to have a debate, but using that image as a reaction makes you look like a child. Just respond thoughtfully, or don’t respond at all.
Political memes are not just leisure, they do have the potential to reinforce people’s views.
So, if you do want to share a political perspective, better not be too “unserious” about it.
The meme is really self explanatory though. I’m not going to think for you. If you get it then its funny, if you don’t it isn’t my job to hold your hand. Feel free to use the downvote button that doesn’t even federate to my instance.
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The only times I hear of tankies is from how annoying they are in online forums, their only power being in their subreddits and lemmy instances. The only references to Marxists are from idiots repeating MAGA talking points.
“Progressive” Shitlibs when they allow bigots on their platform and Queer people dont like them
(Im pretty sure eveyone other than world users hate world)
.world has now moved onto banning people for calling out transphobia. It was bad when they banned users for calling out the Democrats’ involvement with the genocide of Palestinians, but now they ban users for being “aggresive” with transphobes.
That’s concerning… I don’t follow instance drama, but if that’s even half true I’ll switch. Have a source that I can read?
You can check my mod log, there’s an example.
I’m sorry, I can’t find any /c/ comm you mod on your profile. So I can’t find your modlog. I also don’t see a reference to anything like what you’re saying on the first page your comments and I don’t feel comfortable digging deeper. Can you provide a link or point me in the right direction?
I mean my personal log. You can click the 3 dots and then look at my moderation history for content I posted, not moderated. I don’t moderate anything on this account.
I didn’t even think to look there! Thanks for being patient with me. I forget there is a whole fediverse you can link together.
No worries! It wasn’t obvious with my wording, haha.
Yea… I am glad I have .world on my block list.
To be fair, sh.itjust.works’ admin thinks Russia and China are pushing “gender ideology” to radicalize western youths against the US, and it’s home to NCD and MWoG, 2 of the most right-wing communities on Lemmy.
lol this is insane
What are NCD and MWoG?
NCD is Non Credible Defense, a military meme community. Not sure what MWoG is.
Non-credible defense, basically 4chan but for the millitary, and overwhelmingly loves western millitaries and NATO.
MeanwhileOnGrad is the other, it’s an anti-communist instance maintained by a “former” gamergater that hasn’t changed their views too much considering they complain about “wokeness” and “forcing equity.” That’s actually where the transphobic admin comments came from.
The two comms share a lot of users, and form some of the most active right-wing userbases on Lemmy. Both openly maintain that they aren’t right wing, but there’s blatant open transphobia and complaining about DEI from prominent users that gets highly upvoted there, so more than anything that’s telling about what the actual stances are.
I follow NCD mainly for the memes about Russian military, I have never paid enough attention to see any gender discussion or similar…
Lemmy mainstream is pro US empire. MAGA tends not to be, even if moderate US politics are. AFAIK, the brainworm supporting US empire is if the DNC supports the most zionist neocon candidate/President with D as a label, that all of his warmongering and oil/weapons industry enrichment must be virtuous, and they adopt it as an identity essential to their lives, because they need to heroize politicians.
What the actual fuck did I just read?
“I’m not a transphobe, but more people realising they’re trans is a psyop by h o s t i l e g o v e r n m e n t s and trans people should sit quietly in the corner if they don’t want to get hatecrimed.”
🤡🤡🤡
Just the standard affair for users of that comm, sadly.
I’m not “X” but, (insert the most vile thing people in group X usually say)
This is a stereotype that predates the internet.
Saying that the russians are the ones pushing “gender ideology” on the west is an absolutely senile opinion to hold. For years every russian news channel has been hollering that it’s The West™ poisoning russian society with “LGBT propaganda”. Did that guy really try to pull a “no u” on the entirety of russian state media?
.world user here. I also hate .world.
I personally don’t do a lot of hating
I personally dont hate individual people, I hate concepts and organizations (like Neoliberalism and bigotry) :3
Is bigotry an organization???
Jk, the phrasing worked funny…
Yes we call it “the legal system”
Poop
Cum
I shidded
I haven’t been able to take the word “tankie” seriously in most cases since I asked that to someone on Reddit and they linked a meme praising anarchist Catalonia
Yeah, it’s kind of lost all meaning. I’ve seen Marxists call Liberals tankies, and I’ve seen Liberals calls Marxists tankies. I’ve seen right wingers call Leftists tankies, and I’ve seen Leftists call Centerists tankies. I know where the word came from, and who the first tankies were but I rarely know what a person’s intent is with that word anymore. Maybe it’s just young people slang now and I’m just too old to get it.
Because I used to be with it, but then they changed what it was. Now what I’m with isn’t it anymore and what’s it seems weird and scary. And it’ll happen to you!
