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I’ll get YouTube premium once they fix their damn TV app.
- If I resume playing a video from history, it often plays the ads, then re-plays them shortly after. (You know, at the point when it hit me with a fucking 55 second ad and I backed out and said fuck no, are you shitting me. Double points if the ad it tries to play again is also ridiculously long. I just keep refreshing it until it gives me 5 seconds to skip. I’m not much of a gambler, but this much I can gamble.)
Admittedly, this bug is not applicable to Premium. Being ad-skippy and all. But it’s indicative of the overall quality of the app. For example:
- When long-holding a video in all circumstances, I it should give me a full menu. Like, with the “go to the channel” option? …doesn’t give that to me in Subscriptions view. This might come as a surprise to YouTube, but I don’t always like watching Whatever The Algorithm Feeds Me. I might, you know, choose to watch the 10 episodes I missed. To do that, I need to actually like to go to the channel in question.
- …Or any of the channels I like or are particularly interested at the moment. There’s no way to pin this shit either.
- Speaking of which, the fucking way to browse my subscriptions is fucking atrocious holy shit. It’s useless. This is Google. They don’t do user experience research. They half-ass everything.
- On my smart TV, sometimes the buttons just fuck up. Sometimes I can’t control this shit. Because my TV operating system was designed by particularly deranged people, they thought “closing” or “restarting” any given app was space technology that no average consumer can understand, so they reduced that to bare minimums: the only way to restart the app is to pull the plug. This is just fucking demeaning.
A collaboration between Google and Samsung, people! Two giant corps serving millions of users! And they expect us to pay monthly fee for this holy shit
…sorry for the rant.
Tbf the only Android TV app I’ve used which is actually usable and has not-shit UX is SmartTube. Discovery Plus deserves a special place in hell.
A single piece of merch from your favorite creator will cover for any ads you would have seen for the foreseeable future anyway
I run UBO, SponsorBlock on FF. I have many t-shirts and hats from youtoobers. Someone was asking about my hat, I said it’s a youtube channel, then they asked about my shirt and I said it’s another youtube channel. I then thought of all the t-shirts I have in my drawer at home. I’d say well over half of them are youtube channel shirts. Made me think I am too deep down the youtube hole, but there is a ton of good content and I like supporting the ones I watch and enjoy. So merch is how I do it so I can be their advertisement. I may not even wear it much, but I’ll buy to support them and to tell others about their channel.
uBlock origin!!
The vending machine would reject all bills because uBlock developers don’t accept donations.
And PiHole, Sponsorblock, Adguard and ReVanced (depending on the device). This is a strict “no ads” household.
Don’t forget Grayjay (or anything FUTO makes in general)
Amazon Primevon my XBox literally doesn’t work without my PiHole. I need to block the ads otherwise nothing plays. My PiHole was recently down for a few days and suddenly we couldn’t finish any of the shows we were on.
Never trust these companies, they want to destroy their own products in the name of profit. Undermine them everywhere you can.
Don’t forget Tubular on Android
Speaking of android, Blockada has been great on my phone. It’s like a PiHole or uBlock Origin for the whole incomming network data, like AB++ used to be nearly a decade ago.
Or NewPipe on Android
Tubular is a fork of NewPipe with Sponsorblock added.
Is it not on F-Droid?
No, but it’s on IzzyDroid repo, which you can add to F-Droid.
Or ReVanced on android! I’ve been running ReVanced YT since it launched and I haven’t touched the stock YouTube app since
Smarttube for set top boxes like Nvidia shield etc: https://smarttubeapp.github.io/
Oh yeah I forgot that. Using Smarttube on my Android TV.
This one is a must
There is also uYou for iOS users.
Also Adaway
And patreon/liberapay for creators and journalists I enjoy.
me but ublock origin
how? The creator of uBlock origin doesn’t take donations.
Using ublock origin, not donating. Donations go elsewhere
Billy should really not support them, Ad Block Plus let’s advertisers pay for having their ads checked as “acceptable advertisements”, i.e. is selling out the core functionality of their product. Billy should use uBlock origin, which afaik does not accept donations, he could however support something like PiHole .
I have no problem with the acceptable ads system. ABP doesn’t get any money from it, and the ads have to meet the criteria anyways, and it’s easy to opt out. I guess it’s a bit fishy that the list maintainers charge money to get ads reviewed, but the FAQ ThunderWhiskers posted says that smaller companies get it for free, and they only charge the bigger companies. I’m not gonna get up in arms over someone charging Disney money for a service they give the local deli for free.
I also like the way it gives companies an incentive to produce less intrusive ads. With the system, unintrusive ads reach more people. Otherwise, it’s all or nothing, which makes intrusive ads the best option from a greedy perspective; they’re far more likely to be clicked, and the only cost is the risk of damaging the ad ecosystem as a whole (and you know how little corporations can care about damaging ecosystems.)
I’m pretty sure those ads also have to meet certain criteria though.
Using ABP, I’ve never had a popup ad, full page ad, auto-playing video, or other intrusive form of advertisement. The “acceptable ads” have been quiet and out of the way in what would otherwise be empty space.
With the understanding that some websites and content creators are entirely reliant on ad revenue, I prefer to have those filtered down to those that don’t provide a burdensome experience.
I will say that having a new tab open with a solicitation for a donation / “premium” every single update (so almost daily) is irritating and they better knock that shit off if they don’t want to alienate users.
The “acceptable ads” have been quiet and out of the way in what would otherwise be empty space.
I don’t mind this whatsoever. I can appreciate the concept of free is paid for by ads, but when you force me to sit there and have to watch it, or pop ups take over the page, all that excessive nonsense, that’s when I say fuck off and use an ad blocker that will remove everything.
I actually think dating sites could be improved if they had an ad you could swipe away every 10 swipes or something. (I absolutely loath swipe only apps though. I need to know your personality not your duck face pose…) for apps with bios they could have a “banner” type ad that is between segments of the bio. Anything but “pay $50+/month to make this somewhat functional.”
I use ublock AND pay for… Nebula.
Or… do both. Buy premium because you are actually getting something for your money… a platform. And support ad blockers to stop the ads where the product is just a webpage.
There is still shit to block when you’re paying for premium, so yeah.
I would pay, if they would offer family pack in our country, but they don’t. Netflix is cheaper for me, I have Premium plan for 10€, and I am splitting the bill with my sister, so I only pay 5€ per month. I am not paying more than that for a YouTube.
Yeah. I’m actually okay with paying for a service I use daily. Google does a bunch of evil shit to drive its advertising business, but the reality is that nothing is free and somebody has to pay somewhere.
We can pay with money or we can pay with ads and personal data.
What I would like to see is a law banning data collection for paid accounts. Because right now Google datarapes you even when you pay.
A privacy law that only works for paying customers? I think we can do far better than that.
The economic reality is not everything can be free for everyone. Privacy is the price people pay to have “free” access to services.
But right now, even those who pay to skip ads or have additional features on a service are still being mined for data.
I deny your economic reality. There is no reason social media needs to charge. It can be run purely on volunteers and donations. It may not be able to be as big as FB but that is okay. We don’t need giant multimedia companies running social media anyways.
We need strong privacy protections for everyone, not just paying customers. It is time to put an end to targeted advertising.
We’re talking about video hosting here. For a hosting site like YouTube that’s several petabytes of new storage added every day assuming no duplicates or backups of anything, plus the bandwidth, overhead, staffing, and more.
A project of that scale can’t be done by volunteer hobbyists with no money. What you’re asking for is for other people to work and spend billions annually without any expectation of compensation for just your entertainment, and you aren’t entitled to that.
Your inability to see the Internet as a distributed resource is astounding considering it’s purpose. I will repeat what I said before there is no reason social media can’t be done without the corporations controlling everything.
You can easily host your own videos, if everyone did and we used advanced sharing protocols the load can be distributed. The more people watching the more bandwidth.
You have become brainwashed into believing only YouTube can exist. You have bought into it so bad you think someone who wants your rights and privacy protected is a free loader.
We can do at all without them. There is something wrong and perverse about a single entity controlling that much of our culture. Too big to fail you say, I say too big to care about what really matters.
Okay, let’s go with your idea that everybody has the knowledge and hardware retired to self-host.
What happens when Grandma’s cute video she uploaded goes viral and 11 million people try to watch it in a 24hr period? Would we rather it simply didn’t work, or does grandma get an unexpected $7,000 bill?
Selling personal data at all should just be banned. It says personal right in the name… Giving away free services with forced adds is exploitation in my opinion. The first step to solving the issue is to require everything have a paid option that gets rid of adds and doesn’t sell personal data for additional profit. The hard part with that is preventing them from just setting the price unreasonably high.
I’d imagine there’s a point where the money from subscriptions is greater than the money from advertising and data hoarding.
The “unreasonably high” prices should be self-solving in that context, because the company won’t make more money by selling ads for less than the price of a subscription.
In fact, in order to justify raising the prices too much they’d have to change more for the ads, which in turn would hurt the ad industry by reducing the ROI in marketing.
but the reality is that nothing is free and somebody has to pay somewhere.
Youtube gained its market share and stopped any competitors arising by offering a free video platform. Now that there isn’t much hope for competition they have enshitified, plastering ads and demanding money. They endured massive loses for years just to kill competition. So boo fucking hoo when I continue using a monopolists products on the terms they originally offered.
How do you explain wikipedia ?
Good loving people pay for it because they want it to be available to everyone in the world and it’s running costs are pretty low.
Video > Text
Wikipedia isn’t video hosting. The angles of nenual hosting cost for Wikipedia is around 3 million a year. YouTube probably costs nearly as much per hour to keep running.
500 hours of video are uploaded to YouTube every minute. That’s gonna be like 60 terrabytes every hour just in storage space increases.
If you were to try and host that on a cloud server like AWS the cost would increase millions of dollars every day. Google self-hosted, but it’s still unfathomingly expensive. There’s still questions over whether YouTube profitable even with all the ads and the subscriptions.
Nah, don’t give any money to google. They have enough.
Exactly this. Funding google is a bad investment. Exactly like the comic says, give it to someone who will improve your life.
YouTube: Has ads and sells your data like every other online service Also YouTube: Doesn’t pay creators much to the point where creators often have in-video advertisements but expects audiences on the platform to pay for an adless experience
That’s not really correct. While yes, ads don’t pay great, this is generally the case, and maintaining servers with these amounts of data is really expensive. And with YouTube premium, actually, YouTubers get paid quite well. You can take a look at the LTT finances video. They make more money from premium than from YouTube ads, even though only a small fraction has it.
Is LTT the rule or exception tho for that premium vs ads metric? LTT viewers are more on the nerdy side so more likely to have adblocking software. Not saying the data is wrong or anything, I just wonder how it fares on more general topics like cooking, fashion, travel etc.
I don’t believe for one single second that this will stay ad free. YouTube will eventually do like all the assholes do and have a tiered system where the first tier is simply less ads not none.
Yep, eventually ads will creep their way into the payed system.
At the end of the day, there’s no such thing as enough money for corporations.
Even when you aren’t seeing ads their algorithm is still controlling your front page, allowing them to push partner content that isn’t directly advertising but still acts like it. The differences between a commercial for Doritos and an episode of Good Mythical Morning titled “Trying Every Doritos Flavor” from the perspective of the PepsiCo marketing department are that people might willingly click on the GMM video and they probably didn’t even have to pay anyone for the video to happen.
Sure Rhett & Link may not have a partnership with Pepsi and are just innocently making content to give their audience (I genuinely believe this), so they’ve got no part in this becoming advertising, but you would have to be incredibly naïve to believe that Google’s algorithm isn’t smart enough to recognize that video and others like it as marketable content the promotion of which can be sold to PepsiCo.Premium subscribers may not be seeing ads, but they are absolutely still seeing advertising.
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That’s a good point, but to be honest even if those thumbnails were just straight up ads I’d be ok with that. I can simply not click on it. Having any kind of actual ad on a premium service is absolute bullshit though, that’s straight up greed…
Hell as a free user I wouldn’t mind in the slightest having their segments: videos, segment for shorts, more videos, be broken up to have videos, ad banner, shorts, videos, and banner etc… don’t lock me into having to watch an ad but I do understand they need ad revenue and I don’t mind seeing the still image ads “of the past” (well past for me since I’ve used an ad blocker for-absolutly-ever now.)
I’m on it daily. A ton of hours between watching videos and enjoying the music catalogue. It’s definitely the only reason I don’t mind paying premium. No complaints.
My unpopular opinion is that YouTube has every right to enforce ads on their platform if you’re not paying for the service.
The service where they crowd sourced 2/3 of their catalogue from “sharecare” pirate bears?
Infrastructure is not free.
Absolutely not our problem. They can come up with other business models. Maybe they can resurrect one of the hundreds of projects/business models from them at https://killedbygoogle.com/ and run with that
It’s much cheaper than the money they make on it though. Hence all the profits.
Youtube operated at a loss for years
It hasn’t operated at a loss anymore for years you mean?
You mean when they started playing ads?
oh, wait, i forgot about all the sharecare non-pirate bears that just upload good stuff for the careshare… you know, that other 3/12 of the catalogue…
I’m… at a loss. Can you rephrase these comments please?
My friend is confused too, care to explain to me so I explain to him?
Same here. My weekly usage is about 14h give or take 2h.
At least Youtube doesnt bother me anymore.Same, but then trying to push shorts is annoying. I’m paying and m always dismissing the feature, take the fucking hint already
Firefox, uBock Origin, and Malwarebytes.
I believe gorhill says to support the filter list maintainers
Ah yes: Why don’t you accept donations?
[…] Have a thought for the maintainers of the various lists. These lists are everything. I can not emphasize this enough.
On PC and Android, I don’t know why everyone doesn’t use Youtube Revanced. Both the normal and extended editions are better than even YouTube Premium through their website and official app.
Hard-earned?
You don’t know what daddy and Billy did in the panel before.
