Majority: everybody uses reddit, so I’ll join them
Me: everybody uses reddit now, time to leave
lemmy aint that private, and possibly easily scrapable
also a gdpr nightmare
Care to explain why?
I’m assuming he means because federation, even if you delete something its mirrored on other instances
Sure, but the deletion is also mirrored to the other instances no?
Its not a guaranteed thing. As I understand it servers can simply choose to ignore the delete federation. I have never run a Lemmy server though, so take that with a tiny grain of salt.
Yeah, but companies can also “choose” to ignore GDPR requests. I don’t think talking about instances not following the spec and deleting things when requested is relevant.
it should
Under normal circumstances. But there could be federation issues, or someone could run a custom Verizon that just ignores all deletion requests.
I’m unsure if that’s considered part of the diligence required in Europe.
To be honest, privacy is not a major concern of mine and wasn’t a factor in my decision making at all. Things like messages not being e2e encrypted don’t really bother me that much.
not having e2e bothers me on private 1on1 chat apps.
i don’t expect it on lemmy though.
It’s as private as you make it. It does not have integrated tracking and/or ad trafficking.
Couldn’t it? If an Instance owner so chose?
Of course it COULD but someone has to modify the code. Boost for Lemmy also shows google ads…
Not a code change at all, just a filtering of the traffic from particular ip’s and forwarding it to a different page which is all that reddit is doing as well.
How can you implement Google AdSense banners like that???
I wasn’t talking about good AdSense in this case, just the page you are redirected to if you are coming from one of their marked VPN IP addresses. Unless this has changed since the last time I attempted to go to Reddit with a VPN on. But that’s the behavior I’ve witnessed.
Yeah, Lemmy doesn’t block you from accessing it via a VPN, for one.
Reddit isn’t privacy-safe either.
I’d put less bots/more legitimate users as a benefit of lemmy instead of privacy though.
As all sites should be. I’m on the internet, mr world wide. When did we expect privacy. Don’t put nothing online you don’t want the world to know.
I used to think like this, but it’s a bit more nuanced./ If you tell people they can’t have any expectation of privacy, it’s essentially telling people of persecuted minorities that they’re not welcome.
Perfect privacy is impossible, but it shouldn’t be trivial to violate someone’s privacy when their membership of such a community is relevant.
The main problem is, people are not aware of the left path
Is the onboarding experience any better? I remember the initial process of joining Lemmy felt very shady and not user friendly. That can be a massive deterrent for people joining. Then on top of that having to filter out all the communities that are not to my taste.
Overall it was a messy non-user friendly experience, but now that I’m here I’m happy.
I tried to recruit a friend of mine but the moment I tried to explain instances to him, he zoned out. I wouldn’t call it non-user friendly, but it’s not as simple and dumbed down like other social media is.
Also roughly a year ago there have been a couple of articles thrown around on Twitter and certain subreddits which wrote about CP stuff going on on Mastodon. So the Fediverse had some bad press. Which is rich coming from the site that allowed people like Violentacrez to fester.
Instances are great, but are also a problem for onboarding.
Is there a single point of entry for people now? I can imagine there being a website people could go to that asks a few simple questions and sorts (or load balances) people to certain instances. This would of course need some way for people to transfer their accounts in the future should they not be happy with their instance. Additionally each instance would need to have some kind of API call for the single point of entry to create the accounts You could even have a simple survey to gauge people’s interests to help them in the community filtering process and present the mobile apps that are available.
Just some thoughts of course on how it might be possible to improve the users first experience.
You are right. There’s join-lemmy, but the problem is that people often get sent from another site to the join-lemmy site which then wants to send them to another site. Too many refferals not enough seeing content.
Example: start here https://alternativeto.net/software/reddit/
Well the main problem is that the left path has about a tenth the content.
And also that Redditors are terrified of change.
about a tenth the content
I fucking wish.
So many communities simply don’t have alternatives here. But I’m happier with the quality of the communities that do exist. So what if they don’t have spam bots sharing 6-12 month old memes that sometimes make no sense outside the timeframe they were post and users just repeating catch phrases for karma increasing the amount of “content”?
There are like 5 people here to talk about my entire country of 10 million while the Reddit community gets 2000+ every day. Even a karma farmer would help here as long as it’s not a bot and occasionally replies to comments.
Correction to my comment, the right road is wider, and is also a giant glue trap
I insulted a mod unknowingly on a subreddit like a decade ago (all I said was that his advice was idiotic) and since then every time I mistakenly post on that subreddit, my account get permabanned and then all my other accounts get permabanned as well. What a completely stupid website.
FYI, you seem to be new here and seem not to be far-left. For your future enjoyment of lemmy, note that Lemmy.ML is a communist instance and therefore you may not like some of the content there.
I don’t hold any ideological leanings and don’t mind communists and marxists.
Pandas are not known to be the brightest animals. But a bored one may have a well rested mind so who knows.
This happened to me for a Pro palestine comment.
Today they accidentally unbanned me because they can’t even run their platform properly.
My account has an “suspension appeal rejected” message and is still running, fucking hell
They didn’t even say anything, the account Is just suddenly not banned anymore
Lemmy: with account and active participation (but lurking most of the time) Reddit: using RedReader without account to browse all those best posts from days past.
why not both 💃🏻
Because the other one suuuuucks. Moda suck badly, management sucks, it all sucks.
So where do you go for tech advice, niche hobbies and obscure activities?
I go here. If there isn’t the right sub yet, I make it, start advertising it on Reddit.
After Reddit closed the API so that spez could get his 100+ million bonus, yet I no longer was allowed to use my RedditIsFun app, it was game over for me. I deleted 13+ years of thousands of my posts and replies, 150K karma, fuck it, don’t care, not leaving that so an sociopath can enrich himself
I umderstand your reasoning and I sure hope the fediverse will succeed. I doubt the normies will come over any time soon, but that is not really a bad thing. What is bad tho, is the fragmentation of data over so many instances, duplicate communities not knowing about each other and the censorship some instances apply. I don’t even know how some of these will get fixed or if they will ever, as they are core part of a decentralized architecture. I miss infinity tho, eternity for lemmy worked for a while but it’s no longer maintained :(
Uh, no. Better mods is bullshit.
The same powertripping happens here and the admins are just as dismissive.
Can confirm! You banned me from your little community because you were too fragile to hear that your religion is fictitious. On a post complaining that atheists won’t debate you.
It is so invigorating to see you remember me.
You were banned for deliberate intellectual dishonesty, which I had clearly predicted in the thread. Shame I forgot to block you as well. Let me take care of that.
Fight fight fight!
Of course I remember one of the most fragile and hypocritical of all the several dozen regulars on Lemmy.
It’s a shame you want to block me. I like you aside from the massive projection issues. Oh well.
It’s shocking how often I think the assholes of Lemmy have hearts in the right place and thus I don’t block them but are otherwise overly committed to specific and weirdly hyper critical takes.
Like they want the discussion/fight but only as long as they win every time even though no one is 100% right about anything. And not everyone needs to know or believe in the same hyper specific thought process they believe in.
It’s shocking how often I think the assholes of Lemmy have hearts in the right place
Zero tolerance policy here. If a person is being needlessly antagonistic or resorting to personal attacks, they get blocked. On reddit it was pointless because the assholes number in the millions, but Lemmy is small enough that it’s made the experience better over time.
Reddit’s blocking mechanism was also insane. Take this hypothetical thread,
- User A
- User B
- User C
If User B blocks User A, User A cannot reply to User C. Blocking on Reddit prevents people from replying to anything that is a reply to you instead of just your own comments.
Works the same here, from what I can tell. I would prefer a “this user has been blocked by you” message instead of just cutting off the whole thread.
[REDDIT]
People on reddit understand that memes are supposed to be funny/clever, at least.
Reddit: porn
Lemmy: no porn
There’s like, a whole instance for porn.
Many instances are defederated but not dbzer0
Yeah but OP is from dbzer0, and i bet some smaller one doesn’t defederate as well.
That was my point. I have a dbzer0 account as well and I block all these communities so I’m surprised they don’t even see them
The key is to make your own porn account on lemmynsfw
I think most people here would take the left path but there might be a selection bias at play
You can’t guarantee better mods, those are volunteers/instance admins/staff of an instance admin and are people. There is nothing inherent to how Lemmy works that ensures that people tasked with moderating aren’t power hungry or in some way a bit of a dick. There was to my understanding, a certain draw to Lemmy over Reddit in that the federated nature means the actions of some power hungry moderator on one instance won’t leave you having no option but to accept their behaviour because you can just migrate to another instance to see and interact with the same content or even spin up your own instance, but that doesn’t make the mods themselves any different and that’s all in theory anyway. In practice there isn’t currently a way to migrate user accounts from one instance to another so if your account is of value to you and you’ve run afoul of some ban happy mod in one community on one instance, then you’ll have to make a whole new account on another instance if you want to circumvent them and interact in that same community again from another instance and in such a case if its identifiably still you, or you want to engage in the original behaviour that incurred their wrath then they’ll just ban you again from your new instance because a different protocol design doesn’t mean different people.
Not only that but where do they think 3/4 of the mods went during the great migration and blackout out reddit?
Lemmy dudes. They haven’t gone anywhere lol. Hell, reddit feels even less moderated these days besides the usual stickler subs like /r/anime lmfao.
I like that we can escape from site admins. There’s some profound magical thinking going on at lemmy.ml. But I have unsubscribed to all their communities. I haven’t yet blocked it entirely but I could do that too.
Lemmy makes it a bit easier to make competing communities. If enough people get angry at bad mods in a community they will migrate.
This already happened in Reddit, but competing communities had different names, and Lemmy also allows to escape bad admins and sites/instances.
Was I the only one who read “power hungry” and “mods” separately and thought it fit with how reddit is run these days? I.E. the owners of the site are power hungry. I mean, the mods are too but they don’t hold a candle to the owners or reddit.
Well you got the no ads part right at least for now
Internet moderation needs to be performed dispassionately. It’s administration, not leadership. But still, it appeals to power-tripping, self important assholes who have no interest in curating a functional community but instead ensuring everyone thinks and acts exactly like they do. The larger lemmy gets, the more of these awful moderators make up the moderation team. There is no mechanism in place to prevent this. I don’t even know how such sa mechanism would work, but as soon as one is figured out, the Internet will be a better place.
