• @PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml
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    642 years ago

    It’s just too expensive to save the planet. I’m glad that our governments were making the tough Choices, to continue burning coal and other fossil fuels because the economy just couldn’t handle the burden of not growing by another 5% every year.

    • @zephyreks@lemmy.mlOPM
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      132 years ago

      That’s a fair complaint for developed countries, but I feel like it’s less fair for developing countries where each point of GDP growth has a tangible effect on poverty rates, education, health, economic mobility, and overall wellbeing. Hell, an increase in economic resources will probably even offset the decrease in crop yield from climate change. For countries that are still developing, these things improve the lives of citizens more than the impact of climate change would hurt them.

      Living in a developed country, we have a disproportionate responsibility for both reducing our own emissions and developing the technology and infrastructure to reduce emissions for everyone else. We should have led the charge towards ever cheaper solar and ever cheaper wind. We should have given the world clean and cheap technologies they can use to fuel their industrialization to reduce their reliance on fossil fuels. We haven’t, but looking towards the future there’s still a lot we can do.

      Remember that you can influence global emissions far more than by bringing your personal emissions down to zero.

      • Yes, exactly, the developed world should aid the developing world as much as possible in providing them clean technologies.

        We are rich enough. We can afford that. And we all benefit in the end (because, after all, a lot of our supplies originate from developing countries).

              • @SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                I already do, but that’s completely missing the point.

                Donating isn’t enough to solve the issue, and, moreover, it puts all of the onus on the good-willed people, which is just super convenient for you, isn’t it?

                No, everyone needs to contribute to a better future. Such economic individualism is what caused these problems in the first place.

                • @TheDarkKnight@lemmy.world
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                  02 years ago

                  I give more to charity in both time and money than you ever have, I guarantee it. Take your assumptions and pound sand.

      • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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        82 years ago

        None of the countries historically responsible for the most CO2 emissions is growing at anywhere near 5%. If anything, we’re burning our only home for 1% year on year.

      • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
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        02 years ago

        Also worth remembering that governments are subsidizing the fossil fuel industry. What should happen is that this industry should be nationalized and the profits should be used to build out clean energy infrastructure.

        • The oil industry is on its death bed so I’m not against what you’re saying, but we’re currently subsidizing the green energy sector (a good thing) with nothing in return (a bad thing).

          We should look to how Norway avoided Dutch Disease and taxed the hell out of private oil extraction. They subsidise the discovery (the risky part) and then slap a very heavy tax on the oil those companies then extract and sell, all the while having a national oil company they have to compete with it (crucial to keep oil expertise within the government).

          Norway already taxes private wind energy and hydropower, because they know the oil industry will be dethroned by the green energy industry soon and don’t want to simply subsidize their profits. Norway also owns wind energy both domestically and in other countries (hilariously, they own more UK wind energy than the UK government itself does), and massive amounts of their domestic hydropower.

    • MattsAlt [comrade/them]
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      112 years ago

      Had the misfortune of listening to State Department and White House policy ghouls talk to a class recently. They don’t believe moving to less fossil fuels quickly is viable because we’d become “dangerously dependent on Chinese minerals for batteries and solar cells” ignoring the fact that the entire globe is “dangerously dependent” on a liveable climate

    • @Konlanx@feddit.de
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      32 years ago

      I am so glad the shareholders got their money!

      Just imagine some rich people didn’t get more rich, just stayed as rich as they were, so we could “save the planet”. Disgusting!

  • Kuori [she/her]
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    222 years ago

    can we please fucking kill oil and gas executives now? i know it’s not gonna save us but we deserve something

  • UlyssesT [he/him]
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    142 years ago

    Scorching hot take, heard this week offline

    “Climate change is actually a good thing because necessity is the mother of invention. If you have any faith in humans at all, climate change is just what we need to make humans an interplanetary species!” so-true

    • @SnowBunting@lemmy.ml
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      02 years ago

      It’s also a great way for mother Earth to teach us a hard lesson. How else are we to learn that we can’t have whole species on one “basket”. No, a good planet to start off on could mars. Now all we need is to invent, invest and grow the smart ones. It’s just so hard to do so with so many yachts for sale.

      • Bassword [he/him]
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        92 years ago

        Our species and countless others have lived on one basket for millions of years.

        Mars is a barren rock.

          • UlyssesT [he/him]
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            12 years ago

            I barely caught the sarcasm; I’ve seen takes like yours non-sarcastically before so I had to squint hard. my-hero cultists have radioactive takes.

      • Sasuke [comrade/them]
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        32 years ago

        get in the bazinga rocket — we’re solving climate change by fucking off to a planet we’ve never even set foot on!

      • cosecantphi [he/him, they/them]
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        32 years ago

        Earth is the most hospitable planet to human life in the entire universe, and we seemingly can’t even put in the meager effort to keep it habitable. What makes you think we’ll be any better at making Mars habitable? Not just keeping it habitable as we’ve failed to do on Earth, but making it habitable in the first place.

        • UlyssesT [he/him]
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          12 years ago

          Saving humanity by expecting a dead planet to be the refuge, under the leadership of the same monsters destroying the planet we’re still on. galaxy-brain

  • YⓄ乙
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    52 years ago

    Look at this beauty! If we work together me can get to 3°C or may be more

    • NaN
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      32 years ago

      Even without optical illusions, drip torches are pretty fun to work with.